# Finally! **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [November 21, 2009, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399 "2009-11-21T12:57:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![dubbin91](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dubbin91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dubbin91)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399/41 "2009-11-23T20:09:02Z")
> [@Willybeen](#): > > I just remembered BRYCO… its not the round thats unreliable, they said the gun was notorious for malfunctioning and exploding… and thanks for the condolences… dont ever start smoking… it was a horrible last 3 weeks. I’m thankful he went fast ☹ yea, they suck…lol about the same as the jennings guns once again, sorry to hear man. ---
**Author:** ![08GT500](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/08gt500/32/5417_2.png) [@08GT500](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/08GT500)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 4:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399/42 "2009-11-24T04:51:30Z")
[quote=“drvnkd,post:25,topic:76399"”] I went and took the class at least a year ago… I never knew Who I should put on the application. [/quote] Anyone in your county. Does not have to be a gun owner. Just a reference for the background check. [quote=“JayS,post:27,topic:76399"”] Yeah, she told me about 10 weeks, but my friend who got his last year in Erie County got his license from Albany less than 2 weeks after dropping off the final paperwork downtown. [/quote] They told me the same “up to 10 weeks” but I received mine in 7 days. [quote=“JEG,post:29,topic:76399"”] History has proven time and time again that an armed population is a safer population. The problem does not lie with citizens who obtain firearms the legal way, its the illegal ones that cause problems. I did a report in college about right to carry laws. I believe it was in 2006, Florida issued something like 1.2 million pistol permits. something like 153 of them were used illegaly. that is a margain of less than 0.001% or some shit. Just remember, more people die in a month in the US from drunk driving than from being shot from a legally obtained firearm in 10 years. It is actually illegal to make people wait so long to get a pistol permit. But like they say. You can’t fight city hall. [/quote] I agree wholeheartedly with your view on an armed population. Just look at Texas for instance. ---
**Author:** ![Firehawk853](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/firehawk853/32/7607_2.png) [@Firehawk853](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Firehawk853)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 5:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399/43 "2009-11-24T05:08:46Z")
> [@dubbin91](#): > > The red dot is not needed on this gun. As when I say I don’t like glock, i down right hate them, along with the springfield xd. They both suck for me to shoot, good guns i hear, but i hate them. Only thing that came close without going into a kimber or springfielf 1911 was the sig sauer, and they are up there with the 1911’s. Also size was a factor with a CCW for the little I use it for it. The PX4 is great, accurate and dependable. Names not out there for these yet since they are fairly new over the past few years. The 92 is a great gun and 1911 like feel, just to big. I do love the PX4 and I have shot my fair share of hand guns over the years. > Joe, for a cheaper option on handling on shooting, look into the browning .22 auto, cheaper to shoot and feels close. I got the ruger mkIII and love it as well. I agree with you a on the Sig’s, it was my second choice but a bit rich for my blood right now. I feel like the Glock can be compared to a Chevy 1500 work/truck, reliable, affordable but no matter what you do its just a truck. ---
**Author:** ![08GT500](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/08gt500/32/5417_2.png) [@08GT500](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/08GT500)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 5:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399/44 "2009-11-24T05:34:05Z")
Rumor has it, many law enforcement agencies are starting to move to the M&P pistols. Thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![dubbin91](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dubbin91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dubbin91)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399/45 "2009-11-24T05:58:00Z")
> [@08GT500](#): > > Rumor has it, many law enforcement agencies are starting to move to the M&P pistols. Thoughts? M&P are a real nice gun for what I have read. Very reliable and accurate out of the box. I check these out, and they are a great price. My problem was the way it fit my hand, I had trouble reaching the slide to chamber around, short and fat thumbs…but a nice gun for what I have read on them. If you looking for that price, another is the ruger sr9. I have shot the SR9 a few times and like it. ---
**Author:** ![nitroinsane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d26b3c/32.png) [@nitroinsane](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nitroinsane)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399/46 "2009-11-24T12:52:09Z")
wait erie county is not different from niagara right? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399/47 "2009-11-24T13:27:45Z")
> [@nitroinsane](#): > > wait erie county is not different from niagara right? Niagara is easier and takes about half the time. References are done by mail instead of a phone call from the local police. EDIT: :tup: 08GT500 on it only being 7 days from after you turned in your receipt. Hoping mine is close to that quick. ---
**Author:** ![dubbin91](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dubbin91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dubbin91)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399/48 "2009-11-24T13:38:06Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Niagara is easier and takes about half the time. References are done by mail instead of a phone call from the local police. > > EDIT: > :tup: 08GT500 on it only being 7 days from after you turned in your receipt. Hoping mine is close to that quick. they told me 3 weeks, and i had it in 5-6 days. Hope it comes quick! ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399/49 "2009-11-24T13:39:40Z")
I expect some delay since I turned it in Monday and now it will be going to Albany and back over the Thanksgiving break. By the way, while I was at the permit office the black guy who always seems to be there was going through a stack of applications and says real loud to his coworker (I’m guessing loud enough so he knew I’d hear him) “Over half of these are from Williamsville, like there is so much crime there”. I really wanted to say something to the little prick but knew it would just get my application “lost”. ---
**Author:** ![drvnkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drvnkd/32/109615_2.png) [@drvnkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drvnkd)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399/50 "2009-11-24T14:04:18Z")
It’s not the crime in Williamsville, its the houshold income that probably annoys him. OT: everytime I see this thread listed in new post’s i think of this. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxrWRN0aq2c&feature=fvw](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxrWRN0aq2c&feature=fvw) ---
**Author:** ![throwthestick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@throwthestick](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/throwthestick)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399/51 "2009-11-24T14:13:09Z")
Be nice to the black guy who works there he is actually a cool guy and helpful. It not his fault the system is crap. ---
**Author:** ![dubbin91](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dubbin91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dubbin91)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399/52 "2009-11-24T14:18:10Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > I expect some delay since I turned it in Monday and now it will be going to Albany and back over the Thanksgiving break. > > By the way, while I was at the permit office the black guy who always seems to be there was going through a stack of applications and says real loud to his coworker (I’m guessing loud enough so he knew I’d hear him) “Over half of these are from Williamsville, like there is so much crime there”. > > I really wanted to say something to the little prick but knew it would just get my application “lost”. Am I the only oen that liked how you had to get pics taken for the application, then they charge you to take more pics for acutal card in the office? ---
**Author:** ![TurboTSi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/22d042/32.png) [@TurboTSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTSi)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399/53 "2009-11-24T17:07:51Z")
> [@dubbin91](#): > > M&P are a real nice gun for what I have read. Very reliable and accurate out of the box. I check these out, and they are a great price. My problem was the way it fit my hand, I had trouble reaching the slide to chamber around, short and fat thumbs…but a nice gun for what I have read on them. If you looking for that price, another is the ruger sr9. I have shot the SR9 a few times and like it. I just looked at the SR9 and I liked it a lot. I’m trying to decide between that one and the Glock 19. Can’t shoot them, so I’m going on personal opinions… anyone like one or the other? ---
**Author:** ![dubbin91](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dubbin91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dubbin91)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399/54 "2009-11-24T17:24:55Z")
> [@TurboTSi](#): > > I just looked at the SR9 and I liked it a lot. I’m trying to decide between that one and the Glock 19. Can’t shoot them, so I’m going on personal opinions… anyone like one or the other? Go to nigara gun center and see if you can rent them. Smith and wesson M&P is good, Beretta PX4, Springfield XD, used sig sauer P6. All within the same price range. Glock makes a good gun, just not a fan of the no safety and light trigger pull if you going to get a ccw. Springfield is a good gun, just felt to much like a glock to me, and I just didn’t like the feel of them, or the way they shoot. PX4 for me was the best fit. The Ruger SR9 I have shot, and its a real nice gun. Best is not to take anyone’s word other than they are reliable. everyone has different opinions on what they want. Best you can do it handle one, get the feel for it, how it fits your hand, how you can reach the functions, etc. Best to shoot one though. If I was in NY i would let you try out the Beretta. The Ruger does have nice safety features if you are new to shooting until you get proper way to handle one. Remember hand guns are different than long guns. ---
**Author:** ![TurboTSi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/22d042/32.png) [@TurboTSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTSi)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399/55 "2009-11-24T19:39:52Z")
I’ve been around guns my whole life and have shot all of my dads pistols, so safety is a concern, but not the deciding reason I would buy one. I’ll have to take a ride up the the Niagara gun range and see what they have available. ---
**Author:** ![FourEyed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/foureyed/32/7216_2.png) [@FourEyed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FourEyed)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 5:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399/56 "2009-11-25T05:46:11Z")
Just got mine in the mail yesterday!! I will be going with a Glock G30 unless I find a better deal on something else. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finally/76399.md?page=2)