# Flat rate recommendation lied about this little job... **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [October 26, 2007, 4:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640 "2007-10-26T04:56:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bracketracer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bracketracer/32/15592_2.png) [@bracketracer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bracketracer)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 4:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/1 "2007-10-26T04:56:36Z")
good thing I trusted my gut and chose not to follow that estimate. Alldata shows 5.6 hours to replace the clutch, which includes R&R entire powertrain. 996 Turbo X50 (+about another 100-120hp in mods) After the flash tune, wasn’t able to go any more than 2/3rd’s throttle without blowing the clutch off. Before the gutting begins: ![http://lh3.google.com/bracketracer/RyEtPeWg2UI/AAAAAAAAEVI/7tf4WMRy2D4/s800/DSC01707.JPG](http://lh3.google.com/bracketracer/RyEtPeWg2UI/AAAAAAAAEVI/7tf4WMRy2D4/s800/DSC01707.JPG) This should do the trick: ![http://lh3.google.com/bracketracer/RyEtReWg2XI/AAAAAAAAEVg/p-6zzC0dL8w/s800/DSC01710.JPG](http://lh3.google.com/bracketracer/RyEtReWg2XI/AAAAAAAAEVg/p-6zzC0dL8w/s800/DSC01710.JPG) ![http://lh5.google.com/bracketracer/RyEtV-Wg2dI/AAAAAAAAEWQ/jIoohHiYBdo/s800/DSC01716.JPG](http://lh5.google.com/bracketracer/RyEtV-Wg2dI/AAAAAAAAEWQ/jIoohHiYBdo/s800/DSC01716.JPG) partially gutted: ![http://lh6.google.com/bracketracer/RyEtXOWg2fI/AAAAAAAAEWg/viQJ9j86I-A/s800/DSC01718.JPG](http://lh6.google.com/bracketracer/RyEtXOWg2fI/AAAAAAAAEWg/viQJ9j86I-A/s800/DSC01718.JPG) ![http://lh4.google.com/bracketracer/RyEtZuWg2jI/AAAAAAAAEXA/wTNDOKmhNiw/s800/DSC01722.JPG](http://lh4.google.com/bracketracer/RyEtZuWg2jI/AAAAAAAAEXA/wTNDOKmhNiw/s800/DSC01722.JPG) I’ll throw some more up later once I get the engine/trans out. Seems like it would be a good time to throw a pair of larger turbos on, eh? ---
**Author:** ![psychopjv](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/psychopjv/32/7251_2.png) [@psychopjv](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/psychopjv)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 5:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/2 "2007-10-26T05:12:31Z")
how much more of a pain is this on the newer models as opposed to the late 70’s early 80’s? i’ve done a few of those and they weren’t as bad as i originally thought. But man does doing plugs on the turbo models suck. Also see it has the classic Porsche oil leak. :tup: to good work though. ---
**Author:** ![brent\_strong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/brent_strong/32/7203_2.png) [@brent\_strong](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brent_strong)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 5:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/3 "2007-10-26T05:22:02Z")
Sneak a pair of GT30s on there. He’ll never know. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![POOPRA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/poopra/32/7188_2.png) [@POOPRA](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/POOPRA)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 5:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/4 "2007-10-26T05:31:10Z")
It takes me about 8 hours to replace the clutch on my supra, which is a rwd drive car. I imagine a mid engine awd car would take me at least 3x as long, but I guess having a lift would speed things up. ---
**Author:** ![Inn-Tune](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/inn-tune/32/7588_2.png) [@Inn-Tune](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Inn-Tune)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/5 "2007-10-26T05:51:00Z")
[quote=“bracketracer”"] Seems like it would be a good time to throw a pair of larger turbos on, eh? [/quote] When is it not? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![brent\_strong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/brent_strong/32/7203_2.png) [@brent\_strong](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brent_strong)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/6 "2007-10-26T05:55:53Z")
When you can just put one really big one on instead! :D:D ---
**Author:** ![audios](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c4cdca/32.png) [@audios](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/audios)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/7 "2007-10-26T06:58:23Z")
hmmm yeah the engine bay sucks but at least they make it “easy” for you to get the motor out. could be worse. at least it isnt a plug job on a w12 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/8 "2007-10-26T07:55:45Z")
I ran one of these a few years ago when my car was slow. Soooo deceiving from the regular turbo… it pulled a good bus on me 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Xander](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xander/32/7597_2.png) [@Xander](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Xander)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/9 "2007-10-26T08:22:13Z")
Nice, just like you said. Maybe they erased the 1 before the 6.5 hours of labor. 😛 Thanks for sharing pics of your high-end projects that you get to work on. :tup: X… ---
**Author:** ![TRP951](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b77776/32.png) [@TRP951](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TRP951)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/10 "2007-10-26T08:36:20Z")
Nice the x50 has the different heads/exhaust/ecu correct? Does teh whole drivetrain drop out like on the older 911s so you can work on them easier? ---
**Author:** ![SoloIIscoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/35a633/32.png) [@SoloIIscoob](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SoloIIscoob)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/11 "2007-10-26T08:54:24Z")
^^^yes the rear sub-frame drops and the motor/trans/Diffs are worked on below or off the vehicle. blackforest, do u have to drop the engine/trans to get the trans off of just the trans? ---
**Author:** ![bracketracer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bracketracer/32/15592_2.png) [@bracketracer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bracketracer)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/12 "2007-10-26T09:21:04Z")
[quote=“SoloIIscoob,post:11,topic:37640"”] blackforest, do u have to drop the engine/trans to get the trans off of just the trans? [/quote] Actually, I’ve done engine-out jobs on C2’s, but not awd turbos…yet. However, I did a bit of poking around on the Rennlist, and found a little workaround, so the gearbox is coming out by itself. Should be out in about a half hour. ---
**Author:** ![bracketracer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bracketracer/32/15592_2.png) [@bracketracer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bracketracer)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/13 "2007-10-26T09:22:55Z")
[quote=“TRP951,post:10,topic:37640"”] Nice the x50 has the different heads/exhaust/ecu correct? Does teh whole drivetrain drop out like on the older 911s so you can work on them easier? [/quote] Actually, I believe it’s just turbos and software, but I could be wrong. Either way, this car is quite a bit faster than a standard X50. I’ve done Milltek high-flow cats and mufflers, fabspeed intake, hyperboost valves, and a custom tune done in real-time by O.CT. And yes, the drivetrain does come out from below, but it’s a LOT more involved than the older cars. ---
**Author:** ![bracketracer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bracketracer/32/15592_2.png) [@bracketracer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bracketracer)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/14 "2007-10-26T09:24:01Z")
[quote=“Onyx Z32,post:8,topic:37640"”] I ran one of these a few years ago when my car was slow. Soooo deceiving from the regular turbo… it pulled a good bus on me 🙂 [/quote] heh…and this one looks like a dead-stock 996tt, but it goes like stink now. At least it will when I get it back together and no longer blows the clutch off at 2/3rds throttle. ---
**Author:** ![bracketracer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bracketracer/32/15592_2.png) [@bracketracer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bracketracer)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/15 "2007-10-26T09:24:38Z")
[quote=“psychopjv,post:2,topic:37640"”] how much more of a pain is this on the newer models as opposed to the late 70’s early 80’s? i’ve done a few of those and they weren’t as bad as i originally thought. But man does doing plugs on the turbo models suck. Also see it has the classic Porsche oil leak. :tup: to good work though. [/quote] much more of a pain in the ass these days. ---
**Author:** ![Pass\_McGass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pass_mcgass/32/7616_2.png) [@Pass\_McGass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pass_McGass)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/16 "2007-10-26T09:25:09Z")
what’s with the exhaust tips? and that looks like such a pain in the ass; i don’t know how some of you guys enjoy being mechanics 😛 ---
**Author:** ![focusinprogress](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/focusinprogress/32/7227_2.png) [@focusinprogress](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/focusinprogress)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/17 "2007-10-26T09:52:16Z")
that thing is hot, and \<3 spec…i have a spec stage 4in my focus and absolutely love it. ---
**Author:** ![Studderin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/studderin/32/7197_2.png) [@Studderin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Studderin)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/18 "2007-10-26T09:54:58Z")
[quote=“bracketracer,post:15,topic:37640"”] much more of a pain in the ass these days. [/quote] ya, its never new\>old easier to get to stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Xander](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xander/32/7597_2.png) [@Xander](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Xander)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/19 "2007-10-26T09:56:02Z")
[quote=“Pass McGrass,post:16,topic:37640"”] what’s with the exhaust tips? 😛 [/quote] Pretty sure they are factory tips. I think it’s part of the “motor sound” package. X… ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2007, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640/20 "2007-10-26T09:56:52Z")
5.kissmyass to do that job. I love when the book lies. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flat-rate-recommendation-lied-about-this-little-job/37640.md?page=2)