# Flex...
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533
**Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic
**Created:** [August 2, 2007, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533 "2007-08-02T12:52:56Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 3
### Author:  [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/41 "2007-08-03T09:07:05Z")
isn’t this about the street? And not about some lame ass racing that has nothing to do with real cars or situations.
torque\>high rpm HP
revving your car to 4000rpm to get it to move is lame as fuck
having to downshift 3 gears just to pass someone is lame as fuck
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### Author:  [@xlogic](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/xlogic)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/42 "2007-08-03T09:31:17Z")
> [@FS:2003 Mustang GT (adult owned)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-2003-mustang-gt-adult-owned/31698/6):
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> isn’t this about the street? And not about some lame ass racing that has nothing to do with real cars or situations.
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> torque\>high rpm HP
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> revving your car to 4000rpm to get it to move is lame as fuck
> having to downshift 3 gears just to pass someone is lame as fuck
you deserve a 💏 on the cheek for that one
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### Author:  [@claymanSRT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/claymanSRT)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/43 "2007-08-03T10:14:23Z")
> [@Don't speed in Virginia! :eek](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dont-speed-in-virginia-eek/31686/16):
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> Q: Where are all the domestics in F-1, JGTC, endurance races, **or any race with turns for that matter?**
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> A: They flew out of turn one into the trees, that’s where.
but every nascar race does have turns…only 4, but it still has turns.
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### Author:  [@slowcamaro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slowcamaro)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/44 "2007-08-03T10:19:41Z")
> [@SHHHEEEEEEEEEE'S BAAAAAAACCCKKKK!!!!!!!!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shhheeeeeeeeees-baaaaaaaccckkkk/31692/37):
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> but every nascar race does have turns…only 4, but it still has turns.
they road race mexico california watkins glen and montreal on saturday
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### Author:  [@claymanSRT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/claymanSRT)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/45 "2007-08-03T10:39:47Z")
i was confused by the mexico and montreal one, is that bush series. I only really follow nextel cup and i don’t follow it that well.
As for a real answer to the ‘wheres the domestics in any race with turns’
Umm lets see here for a second.
Speed World Challenge has domestics
Rolex Cup has domestics
how about the American Lemans series? corvette-racing sound familiar to you?
JGTC is Japan Grand Touring Championship, so in that sense, where is any car OTHER than a japenese car in that series? I’ve never seen any.
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### Author:  [@slowcamaro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slowcamaro)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/46 "2007-08-03T10:46:57Z")
> [@EV-DO Rev A Up Nationwide](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ev-do-rev-a-up-nationwide/31699/3):
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> i was confused by the mexico and montreal one, is that bush series. I only really follow nextel cup and i don’t follow it that well.
yes the bush series
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### Author:  [@dyingwish](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dyingwish)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/47 "2007-08-03T11:00:19Z")
> [@EV-DO Rev A Up Nationwide](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ev-do-rev-a-up-nationwide/31699/3):
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> i was confused by the mexico and montreal one, is that bush series. I only really follow nextel cup and i don’t follow it that well.
>
> As for a real answer to the ‘wheres the domestics in any race with turns’
>
> Umm lets see here for a second.
>
> Speed World Challenge has domestics
> Rolex Cup has domestics
> how about the American Lemans series? corvette-racing sound familiar to you?
>
> JGTC is Japan Grand Touring Championship, so in that sense, where is any car OTHER than a japenese car in that series? I’ve never seen any.
I’ll spot you the JGTC series as that is pretty unfair. The people who constantly shit on imports for thier whp dyno bragging are driving vehicles made for no other reason than to have some rediculously huge motor in it. They have shitty interiors, look like lunchboxes, are bought in lieu of an education…kidding, etc…They generally can’t turn for shit, and frankly weren’t made for it in the first place. I was just pointing out, albeit poorly, that there is more to “i got torque and that’s all that counts” shit. Last time I checked there are more curved roads than straight ones in this country, so why brag about how much torque your car has when it is only useable on a small fraction of the road. Every car type has it’s shortcomings.
I’m not dissing domestic muscle cars at all, they have thier place. It does highlight one simple and universal truth in cars or hobbies in general
example: If all the “stupid ricer blah blah” guys “saw the light”, as you domestic enthusiasts say…and all sold thier cars to buy domestics, you’d cry and have to find something else because it would be cool anymore. It works both ways.
Moral: Put you cock measuring tool away and go home.
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### Author:  [@claymanSRT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/claymanSRT)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/48 "2007-08-03T11:23:19Z")
i understand what your saying. The ‘see the light’ comment was kinda dumb.
I could of EAISLY afforded something with a v8, but I opted for a 240sx and a sr20det. It’s what I wanted. Now granted, its generally eaiser and cheaper to make 900whp with a big block than it is with a 4 cylinder, the hell, thats half the fun. I’m building my 240 to compete in turbo street and sport rwd classes i know it won’t be easy but I didn’ wnat it to be either. I like the challenge.
IMO anybody can drop 30k on a cobra, change a pully and exhaust and say ‘ya man, i built a 650whp car, whats that 4 banger got’
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### Author:  [@dyingwish](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dyingwish)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/49 "2007-08-03T11:30:53Z")
> [@Hockey Guys: Sticks Inside](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hockey-guys-sticks-inside/31526/17):
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> i understand what your saying. The ‘see the light’ comment was kinda dumb.
dumb? overgeneralization maybe. What part of the exclusivity of hobby interest escapes you? If every one ran out and got a 240, I guarrantee your plans change. Now that’d be pretty dumb.
/ E-argument
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### Author:  [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/50 "2007-08-03T12:42:47Z")
> [@Small house on G.I.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/small-house-on-g-i/31652/32):
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> I’ll spot you the JGTC series as that is pretty unfair. The people who constantly shit on imports for thier whp dyno bragging are driving vehicles made for no other reason than to have some rediculously huge motor in it. They have shitty interiors, look like lunchboxes, are bought in lieu of an education…kidding, etc…They generally can’t turn for shit, and frankly weren’t made for it in the first place. I was just pointing out, albeit poorly, that there is more to “i got torque and that’s all that counts” shit. Last time I checked there are more curved roads than straight ones in this country, so why brag about how much torque your car has when it is only useable on a small fraction of the road. Every car type has it’s shortcomings.
>
> I’m not dissing domestic muscle cars at all, they have thier place. It does highlight one simple and universal truth in cars or hobbies in general
>
> example: If all the “stupid ricer blah blah” guys “saw the light”, as you domestic enthusiasts say…and all sold thier cars to buy domestics, you’d cry and have to find something else because it would be cool anymore. It works both ways.
>
> Moral: Put you cock measuring tool away and go home.
torque\>\*
v8\>4cyl
anything you can do to a small 4cyl, you can do to a big CI v8 and make a bunch more power.
the only reason “imports”(and similar domestics like the cobalt, mazda3, etc…) are even remotely fast is they are death traps that weigh 2000 lbs.
Most races (before the ricers came around) when I was growing up in the early 90’s were from a stop. The only races you see now is lame as fuck roll racing because all the 4cyl homo’s can’t hang from a stop, why, because of no torque.
😃
what a fun discussion 🙂
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### Author:  [@Pewter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pewter)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/51 "2007-08-03T13:02:07Z")
> [@The baby blue shark hood neon tried chasing me down...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-baby-blue-shark-hood-neon-tried-chasing-me-down/30686/993):
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> torque\>\*
> v8\>4cyl
> anything you can do to a small 4cyl, you can do to a big CI v8 and make a bunch more power.
> the only reason “imports”(and similar domestics like the cobalt, mazda3, etc…) are even remotely fast is they are death traps that weigh 2000 lbs.
>
> Most races (before the ricers came around) when I was growing up in the early 90’s were from a stop. The only races you see now is lame as fuck roll racing because all the 4cyl homo’s can’t hang from a stop, why, because of no torque.
>
> 😃
> what a fun discussion 🙂
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
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### Author:  [@noahTHEpurdy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/noahTHEpurdy)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/52 "2007-08-03T13:05:16Z")
Another + on the V8 side is lack of a need for forced induction.
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### Author:  [@jph102900](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jph102900)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/53 "2007-08-03T13:09:52Z")
> [@Hockey Guys: Sticks Inside](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hockey-guys-sticks-inside/31526/17):
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> IMO anybody can drop 30k on a cobra, change a pully and exhaust and say ‘ya man, i built a 650whp car, whats that 4 banger got’
I don’t see anything wrong with that. I have only ever owned imports, but I would love to get something that was that easy to upgrade. Don’t discount the abilities of a car just because they didn’t have to do an engine swap and turbo to make tons of HP.
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### Author:  [@claymanSRT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/claymanSRT)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/54 "2007-08-03T13:28:44Z")
> [@FR: Apartment and Carriage House in N.Buffalo](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fr-apartment-and-carriage-house-in-n-buffalo/31701/8):
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> I don’t see anything wrong with that. I have only ever owned imports, but I would love to get something that was that easy to upgrade. Don’t discount the abilities of a car just because they didn’t have to do an engine swap and turbo to make tons of HP.
oh i’m not discounting anything. I don’t knock v8’s at all, they have the potential to make enormous amounts of horsepower. Its just funny how almost all v8 owners/enthusiasts are the same. They all say their enthusiasts of cars and racing but they’ll knock a car based on the SOLE fact it doesn’t have 8 cylinders. Theres plenty of 4 bangers in the 7 second range and their running from a dead stop. Granted their not streetable cars, but how many v8 in that range are TRULY legal street machines.
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### Author:  [@xlogic](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/xlogic)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/55 "2007-08-03T13:54:07Z")
> [@Come play Forza 2 offical thread/ NYSpeed Forza Racing Series](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-forza-2-offical-thread-nyspeed-forza-racing-series/30186/108):
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> oh i’m not discounting anything. I don’t knock v8’s at all, they have the potential to make enormous amounts of horsepower. Its just funny how almost all v8 owners/enthusiasts are the same. They all say their enthusiasts of cars and racing but they’ll knock a car based on the SOLE fact it doesn’t have 8 cylinders. Theres plenty of 4 bangers in the 7 second range and their running from a dead stop. Granted their not streetable cars, but how many v8 in that range are TRULY legal street machines.
i posted a bid of a 6 second vette that was street legal…6 seconds bouncing back onto the wheelie bar the whole way down the 1/4mile. i have owed nothing but 4bangers since my blazer and i have to say…they are good for gas thats why i keep them…but for a toy…it will be a v8
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### Author:  [@kilmer420](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kilmer420)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/56 "2007-08-03T14:11:23Z")
> [@The baby blue shark hood neon tried chasing me down...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-baby-blue-shark-hood-neon-tried-chasing-me-down/30686/993):
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> torque\>\*
> v8\>4cyl
> anything you can do to a small 4cyl, you can do to a big CI v8 and make a bunch more power.
> the only reason “imports”(and similar domestics like the cobalt, mazda3, etc…) are even remotely fast is they are death traps that weigh 2000 lbs.
>
> Most races (before the ricers came around) when I was growing up in the early 90’s were from a stop. The only races you see now is lame as fuck roll racing because all the 4cyl homo’s can’t hang from a stop, why, because of no torque.
>
> 😃
> what a fun discussion 🙂
What about VW’s? I got plenty of TQ!
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### Author:  [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/57 "2007-08-03T14:36:52Z")
> [@PICARD!!!PICARD!!!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/picard-picard/31703/7):
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> What about VW’s? I got plenty of TQ!
yea, but you’re stuck driving a vw. All the torque in the world can’t fix that.
😃
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### Author:  [@fmfkid250](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fmfkid250)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/58 "2007-08-03T15:30:33Z")
> [@The baby blue shark hood neon tried chasing me down...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-baby-blue-shark-hood-neon-tried-chasing-me-down/30686/993):
>
> Most races (before the ricers came around) when I was growing up in the early 90’s were from a stop. The only races you see now is lame as fuck roll racing because all the 4cyl homo’s can’t hang from a stop, why, because of no torque.
>
> 😃
> what a fun discussion 🙂
I am never scared to Race from a Dig, lets go!!!
hell id rather race from a dig getting a 500+hp car to hook from 10-60mph is damn near impossible…
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### Author:  [@1320](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1320)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/59 "2007-08-03T15:35:28Z")
> [@The baby blue shark hood neon tried chasing me down...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-baby-blue-shark-hood-neon-tried-chasing-me-down/30686/993):
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> the only reason “imports”(and similar domestics like the cobalt, mazda3, etc…) are even remotely fast is they are death traps that weigh 2000 lbs.
Aren’t the ls1 guys always bragging about how thier motors weigh less than most 4 cylinders?
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### Author:  [@neonmike22](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neonmike22)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2007, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flex/191533/60 "2007-08-03T15:54:29Z")
> [@Don't speed in Virginia! :eek](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dont-speed-in-virginia-eek/31686/16):
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> A: They flew out of turn one into the trees, that’s where.
O RLY?
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