# Flight 3407 Tragedy Thread \*\*\*\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [February 12, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968 "2009-02-12T20:04:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![bigwoode](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bigwoode/32/5175_2.png) [@bigwoode](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bigwoode)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/201 "2009-02-13T06:50:13Z")
> [@yeamabu](#): > > so regardless of how this happened, there has been talk about icing on the wings, why is it that they dont have any sort of heating on the wings, i know it adds weight, but couldnt they do something like they have for heated tile floors. for example, running something this they have in this picture, where hot water is constantly flowing threw the lines. Unfortunately water wouldn’t cut it… It would have to be something with a lower freezing point. And to get it in a position where it could heat the surface of the wing, I would imagine that would compromise structural integrity? ---
**Author:** ![Bull49](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bull49/32/7381_2.png) [@Bull49](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bull49)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/202 "2009-02-13T06:50:20Z")
they do have heating/de-icing devices implemented. you think you are the first person that this might have occurred to? really? ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/203 "2009-02-13T06:50:33Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Wow yeamabu just solved a huge aviation issue!!! this is a car forum ---
**Author:** ![TORQDSS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/torqdss/32/5125_2.png) [@TORQDSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TORQDSS)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/204 "2009-02-13T06:50:59Z")
they do but it is more like a balloon that expands and contracts to break up the ice. ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/205 "2009-02-13T06:51:57Z")
> [@TORQDSS](#): > > they do but it is more like a balloon that expands and contracts to break up the ice. and engine bleed air to heat leading edges… electric heaters… Anti icing IS HUGE! there are a million ways to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Geehee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geehee/32/7238_2.png) [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/206 "2009-02-13T06:53:57Z")
> [@yeamabu](#): > > threw . :picard: ---
**Author:** ![Bacon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bacon/32/7230_2.png) [@Bacon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bacon)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/207 "2009-02-13T06:54:21Z")
> **[Deicing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deicing)** > > De-icing is the process of removing snow, ice or frost from a surface. Anti-icing is understood to be the application of chemicals that not only de-ice but also remain on a surface and continue to delay the reformation of ice for a certain period of time, or prevent adhesion of ice to make mechanical removal easier. De-icing can be accomplished by mechanical methods (scraping, pushing); through the application of heat; by use of dry or liquid chemicals designed to lower the freezing point of wa... ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/208 "2009-02-13T06:54:37Z")
yeah seriously, if they didnt have de-icing and ice regularly formed on the wings of planes, it would change their shape and they simply wouldn’t fly. ---
**Author:** ![Penfold](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/penfold/32/5007_2.png) [@Penfold](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Penfold)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/209 "2009-02-13T06:55:17Z")
> [@tpgsr](#): > > 5000 gallons of fuel makes a very large explosion. People had to feel it for miles. I would doubt 15 miles, but def. miles. I was less than 5 miles away and I didn’t feel anything. If I hadn’t gone into work 15 minutes early I might have seen/heard it. RIP. This is very sad. ---
**Author:** ![pirite](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pirite/32/5308_2.png) [@pirite](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/pirite)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/210 "2009-02-13T06:55:18Z")
> [@yeamabu](#): > > so regardless of how this happened, there has been talk about icing on the wings, why is it that they dont have any sort of heating on the wings, i know it adds weight, but couldnt they do something like they have for heated tile floors. for example, running something this they have in this picture, where hot water is constantly flowing threw the lines. they already do have methods of deicing for in-flight. im just not sure what the methods actually are. ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/211 "2009-02-13T06:55:43Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > yeah seriously, if they didnt have de-icing and ice regularly formed on the wings of planes, it would change their shape and they simply wouldn’t fly. they fly… bleed air valves get stuck closed. and anti icing fails ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/212 "2009-02-13T06:57:17Z")
> [@yeamabu](#): > > this is a car forum Which is exactly why your insight was not useful/helpful/worth the time involved in reading it… OMG we raised our floor temp inside our house by a few degrees…why don’t they use the same technology on air planes :bloated: I would imagine with the large number of flights occurring daily during the winter months deicing must be working pretty effectively or they would be having crashes like this on a daily basis. ---
**Author:** ![justa4door](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/justa4door/32/7259_2.png) [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/213 "2009-02-13T07:00:36Z")
this just in “the plane was attempting to land on the familys treadmill” ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/214 "2009-02-13T07:02:00Z")
TOO SOON, BUT +KARMA ---
**Author:** ![OneFastMonkey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onefastmonkey/32/7241_2.png) [@OneFastMonkey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OneFastMonkey)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/215 "2009-02-13T07:02:13Z")
Listened to the air traffic audio. Gave me the chills ---
**Author:** ![justa4door](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/justa4door/32/7259_2.png) [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/216 "2009-02-13T07:03:43Z")
lol I had to SRY … really yes it is a bad thing that went down … does anyone know about this “marker” that they talk about … i guess i dont understand how the red lights and shit work on the ground for planes ---
**Author:** ![Penfold](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/penfold/32/5007_2.png) [@Penfold](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Penfold)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/217 "2009-02-13T07:05:22Z")
My friend is taking my fiance and I flying in 3 weeks, there is NO way my fiance will be up for it now. She was worried before this. ---
**Author:** ![Bigairskier1580](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bigairskier1580/32/7612_2.png) [@Bigairskier1580](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bigairskier1580)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/218 "2009-02-13T07:07:45Z")
> [@justa4door](#): > > this just in “the plane was attempting to land on the familys treadmill” I’m going straight to hell, but that got a chuckle out of me. That said, I do feel bad for anyone involved in any way. ---
**Author:** ![Anonymity](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/anonymity/32/7215_2.png) [@Anonymity](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Anonymity)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/219 "2009-02-13T07:08:17Z")
company asked to have it removed. ---
**Author:** ![justa4door](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/justa4door/32/7259_2.png) [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/220 "2009-02-13T07:09:11Z")
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