# Flight 3407 Tragedy Thread \*\*\*\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [February 12, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968 "2009-02-12T20:04:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Anonymity](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/anonymity/32/7215_2.png) [@Anonymity](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Anonymity)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/221 "2009-02-13T07:11:50Z")
company ask to have it removed ---
**Author:** ![Toda\_Party](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/toda_party/32/7354_2.png) [@Toda\_Party](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Toda_Party)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/222 "2009-02-13T07:16:29Z")
> [@Penfold](#): > > My friend is taking my fiance and I flying in 3 weeks, there is NO way my fiance will be up for it now. She was worried before this. dont book a flight on a prop plane and dont try to land in winds and ice and you’ll be fine (fly jet blue!) ---
**Author:** ![Toda\_Party](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/toda_party/32/7354_2.png) [@Toda\_Party](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Toda_Party)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/223 "2009-02-13T07:18:09Z")
you can’t melt ice with heat for planes… with the airspeed and altitudes they fly at, it’d eat way too much energy to keep that shit melted cuz it’d keep re-freezing ---
**Author:** ![nelstoys](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/48db29/32.png) [@nelstoys](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nelstoys)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/224 "2009-02-13T07:22:25Z")
My dads one of the guys from national fuel at the site, has some sent me some pics and has some more details about it, he said the plane is tail up in the ground. ---
**Author:** ![misteroman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/misteroman/32/7423_2.png) [@misteroman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/misteroman)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/225 "2009-02-13T07:22:28Z")
RIP to all involved.Any word if Ice was the official reason? ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/226 "2009-02-13T07:22:42Z")
> [@Anonymity](#): > > i couldnt sleep last night, and not a good fri 13th. :grouphug: ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/227 "2009-02-13T07:23:12Z")
tail stall? ---
**Author:** ![skatanic28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e7dd6/32.png) [@skatanic28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/skatanic28)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/228 "2009-02-13T07:27:43Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > tail stall? those high T-tails have problems with that right? ---
**Author:** ![97FormulaWS-6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/97formulaws-6/32/7384_2.png) [@97FormulaWS-6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97FormulaWS-6)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/229 "2009-02-13T07:28:20Z")
1. RIP to everyone involved, this is tragic… to say the least 2. the aircraft have 5000# of fuel, not 5000 gallons… 5000# of fuel is approx 1000 gallons of fuel (1 gallon weighs ~6#s I believe) 3. All commercial aircraft are required to have de-icing systems installed 4. The “new style” is in regards to most turboprops being of a different style aircraft than it’s jet counterparts; the Q400 they basically took a candiair regional jet and put a high wing with turbo-props on it. ---
**Author:** ![Anonymity](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/anonymity/32/7215_2.png) [@Anonymity](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Anonymity)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/230 "2009-02-13T07:28:21Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > :grouphug: please remove quote. ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/231 "2009-02-13T07:28:21Z")
Yah so my Fiancee was supposed to be flying to Newark last night when this happened. Her flight to Newark was delayed and she would have missed her connecting flight to Houston there. I called Continental and had her re-routed to Cleavland and from there she got a flight into Houston. She landed here 11pm our time or 12pm Buffalo time. Her mom called me freaking out, but I knew she already safely landed in Ohio and was on her way here. Freaky, way too close for comfort for me. RIP ☹ ---
**Author:** ![j\_espo1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/j_espo1/32/7291_2.png) [@j\_espo1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/j_espo1)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/232 "2009-02-13T07:28:23Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > tail stall? too soon! ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/233 "2009-02-13T07:38:21Z")
> [@Anonymity](#): > > quote. does that mean what i think it means? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![j\_espo1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/j_espo1/32/7291_2.png) [@j\_espo1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/j_espo1)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/234 "2009-02-13T07:41:17Z")
funniest comment on this whole tragic situation: “Sully would have landed that plane on the roof of the house” ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/235 "2009-02-13T07:44:10Z")
> [@skatanic28](#): > > those high T-tails have problems with that right? yeah not to mention that the recovery action is the exact opposite of a normal stall, the one that they train for constantly. If they see stall and think, “increase power and push down”, but it’s actually a tail stall where you’re supposed to lower the throttle and pull up, that generally would end bad. ---
**Author:** ![Karter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@Karter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Karter)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/236 "2009-02-13T07:46:48Z")
age old argument, but whens the last time a car crashed into anything and killed 60 people? RIP to all involved. the person it sucks worse for was whoever got killed on the ground, they died due to other peoples inabilitys to keep thier feet on the ground. ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/237 "2009-02-13T07:54:41Z")
TO ALL OF YOU SAYING ICE WAS THE ISSUE: Im far from an aviation guy but consider this. A Lack of lift due to ice on the wings is not characteristic of this crash. If the plane was going down for that purpose, it would have definitely not taken that 3X degree angle into the house, unless however it was intentional. Im not saying it wasn’t ice related but there’s something past that. But what tells me this was not just a small issue is the obvious fact that why the hell did the plane loose communication with the tower??? The fact that communication was just lost tells me this plane suffered some kind of catastrophic system failure past simply an lift or engine issue. Someone told me this morning that these planes are primarily used in the northeast for their ability to handle crappy conditions like last night. Im really thinking this may have had to do with more than just the weather. This is just my take on it. I was on the phone with my friend last night at around 10:30 as she was driving down Salt and County roads, and twice she said “Omg im being passed by 10 firetrucks, I gotta put you down for a second.” She was right there. ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/238 "2009-02-13T07:56:38Z")
> [@j\_espo1](#): > > funniest comment on this whole tragic situation: “Sully would have landed that plane on the roof of the house” LMAO 👏 ---
**Author:** ![justa4door](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/justa4door/32/7259_2.png) [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/239 "2009-02-13T08:00:02Z")
yes this was not a ice issue if it was ice the plane would have taken out more houses ---
**Author:** ![97FormulaWS-6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/97formulaws-6/32/7384_2.png) [@97FormulaWS-6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97FormulaWS-6)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/240 "2009-02-13T08:01:41Z")
> [@MOBOOST4U](#): > > TO ALL OF YOU SAYING ICE WAS THE ISSUE: > > Im far from an aviation guy but consider this. A Lack of lift due to ice on the wings is not characteristic of this crash. If the plane was going down for that purpose, it would have definitely not taken that 3X degree angle into the house, unless however it was intentional. Im not saying it wasn’t ice related but there’s something past that. From an avaition buff… Actually, if the wings/tail lost lift (stalled) due to icing; that’s EXACTLY what would’ve happened; the aircraft will for all intents “fall” from the sky; and with the aircraft being at 2300’ and desending; that’s not a lot of room for recovery of an aircraft like that one; especially if there had been ice buildup. Hell, the flight I took from Cincinatti about a month ago, we were WATCHING the ice build up on the wings as we started our decent into buffalo… [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968.md?page=13)