# Flight 3407 Tragedy Thread \*\*\*\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [February 12, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968 "2009-02-12T20:04:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Geehee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geehee/32/7238_2.png) [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/261 "2009-02-13T08:17:55Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > No…but from a factual comment perspective…I would believe n20junkie over MOBOOSTS Tim Hortons and Ingram experience… im not saying he knows what happened or even close to it. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/262 "2009-02-13T08:18:31Z")
Hey everyone, it’s Buzz Killington! ---
**Author:** ![fiend540](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bcef8e/32.png) [@fiend540](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fiend540)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/263 "2009-02-13T08:18:43Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Plane new in April 2008. Not like it was an old clunker. > This may seem like a stupid question but is this the same company that makes Ski Doo snowmobiles? (Bombardier) it used to be but by 2008 the power sports became a separate company. ---
**Author:** ![Eazy716](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/eazy716/32/7443_2.png) [@Eazy716](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eazy716)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/264 "2009-02-13T08:19:06Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Has anyone heard who got killed on the ground? Was he/she from the house where the 2 women were injured? > [@buffalo news](#): > > “Unfortunately, there was a town resident in one home that perished, and two people escaped from that home with minor injuries,” County Executive Chris Collins said. Erie County voting records list Douglas C. Wielinski, 61, as the only adult male at that residence. Authorities at mid-morning said they weren’t absolutely certain that he was the one resident killed. > The two who escaped, Karen Wielinski, 57, and her daughter, Jill, 22, were taken to Millard Fillmore Suburban Hospital, where Kaleida Health officials said they were in stable condition in the emergency room. . ---
**Author:** ![97FormulaWS-6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/97formulaws-6/32/7384_2.png) [@97FormulaWS-6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97FormulaWS-6)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/265 "2009-02-13T08:19:50Z")
> [@MOBOOST4U](#): > > Ok then explain the loss of contact from the tower??? Those points were meant to go hand in hand. See the comment about the pilots being busy trying to keep the plane in the air than talking with the ground… Just because they didn’t talk, doesn’t mean they weren’t able too… they just could’ve been busy giving the aircraft more attention than the radio. ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/266 "2009-02-13T08:25:18Z")
> [@97FormulaWS-6](#): > > See the comment about the pilots being busy trying to keep the plane in the air than talking with the ground… > > Just because they didn’t talk, doesn’t mean they weren’t able too… they just could’ve been busy giving the aircraft more attention than the radio. Yeah and thats obviously a rational and likely exception. Idk how fast a plane falls out of the air or what conditions those pilots were under but if they had any last stand in them before realizing certain death, I just figured an attempt by one of the two would be made to communicate something to the tower. ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/267 "2009-02-13T08:27:50Z")
so was there any distress signal from the plane when it was going down or no, i have not heard the recording at all and from what was posted it only talks about changing altitude and nothing about a mayday distress recording. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/268 "2009-02-13T08:28:34Z")
> [@MOBOOST4U](#): > > Again, see my post in regards to Lafengas. God you people really read between the lines. How did that come of anything more than a perspective. I SAID RIGHT IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH “IM FAR FROM AN AVIATION GUY”, you douche! You’re opinion was wrong, as evidenced by people with more aviation experience then you. Stop trying to argue the point since it is invalid. ---
**Author:** ![Pauly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pauly/32/7493_2.png) [@Pauly](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pauly)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/269 "2009-02-13T08:30:11Z")
This happened litterally around the corner from patty’s (psychov) work. I would assume he’s got the day off Sad RIP ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/270 "2009-02-13T08:31:14Z")
> [@MOBOOST4U](#): > > Yeah and thats obviously a rational and likely exception. > > Idk how fast a plane falls out of the air or what conditions those pilots were under but if they had any last stand in them before realizing certain death, I just figured an attempt by one of the two would be made to communicate something to the tower. you are a fucking idiot. You don’t sit there having a conversation with the tower on final approach. you broadcast over a UHF or VHF channel (I think UHF is used for long distance communication, IIRC, I’m not a com guy) and no if I was going down, the tower would be the last thing on my mind, and how do you know they knew they were going down long enough to be like omg lets call the tower. ---
**Author:** ![Vrooom](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vrooom/32/7198_2.png) [@Vrooom](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vrooom)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/271 "2009-02-13T08:31:33Z")
> [@yeamabu](#): > > so was there any distress signal from the plane when it was going down or no, i have not heard the recording at all and from what was posted it only talks about changing altitude and nothing about a mayday distress recording. Nope. Nothing. No distress recording. ---
**Author:** ![justa4door](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/justa4door/32/7259_2.png) [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/272 "2009-02-13T08:31:39Z")
INB4LOCK ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/273 "2009-02-13T08:31:41Z")
According to the recording the downed flight had not contact with Buffalo controllers, but they were able to talk to regional controllers immediately prior. Pauly - talked to pat briefly last night, he was planning on heading in. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/274 "2009-02-13T08:34:12Z")
> [@yeamabu](#): > > so was there any distress signal from the plane when it was going down or no, i have not heard the recording at all and from what was posted it only talks about changing altitude and nothing about a mayday distress recording. Nothing, go back a page or so and you’ll see I logged everything of relevance from the ATC tape. They were cleared to 2300 feet and a course correction in 3 miles, acknowledged that, then weren’t heard from again. [http://www.nyspeed.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1275834&postcount=236](http://www.nyspeed.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1275834&postcount=236) ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/275 "2009-02-13T08:35:08Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > According to the recording the downed flight had not contact with Buffalo controllers, but they were able to talk to regional controllers immediately prior. Clarence center is like 5 miles away… they should have called in a long long time ago… this seems like an error ---
**Author:** ![ShiftDead](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shiftdead/32/7508_2.png) [@ShiftDead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShiftDead)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/276 "2009-02-13T08:36:23Z")
I grew up in the area and I am wondering how little control they actually had over the plane. Even with it being at night less than a mile east is nothing but corn fields and wildlife reserve, also the Clarence Soccer center which is a HUGE wide open area with probably 10 houses around it. ---
**Author:** ![Matt\_Danger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/matt_danger/32/4981_2.png) [@Matt\_Danger](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Matt_Danger)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/277 "2009-02-13T08:36:59Z")
![http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/2461895.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1234544014&Signature=L1%2Fp2eQ89DWzFbmqso%2Fcs5U28Ag%3D](http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/2461895.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1234544014&Signature=L1%2Fp2eQ89DWzFbmqso%2Fcs5U28Ag%3D) Why was\*the plane delayed for 2 hours? Could there have been some mechanical problems that they tried to solve but weren’t totally fixed? ---
**Author:** ![nitroinsane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d26b3c/32.png) [@nitroinsane](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nitroinsane)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/278 "2009-02-13T08:37:06Z")
this thread is a 43 active user shit fest ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/279 "2009-02-13T08:37:20Z")
> [@ILC](#): > > Clarence center is like 5 miles away… they should have called in a long long time ago… this seems like an error I wondered about that, too. This may sound like semantics with such a grave subject, but can we change the title of this thread to something more respectful? We know a plane crashed in Clarence now. ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/280 "2009-02-13T08:38:30Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Nothing, go back a page or so and you’ll see I logged everything of relevance from the ATC tape. They were cleared to 2300 feet and a course correction in 3 miles, acknowledged that, then weren’t heard from again. > [http://www.nyspeed.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1275834&postcount=236](http://www.nyspeed.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1275834&postcount=236) keep in mind buffalo is at 714ish ft of elevation… 2300 - 714 = 1586, then with a storm just passing though the difference in barometric pressure could have caused a decent margin of error in altitude (unless GPS is used for altitude now) that kind of elevation comes up on you quick [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968.md?page=15)