# Flight 3407 Tragedy Thread \*\*\*\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [February 12, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968 "2009-02-12T20:04:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/281 "2009-02-13T08:39:06Z")
They found the voice recorder and black box. ---
**Author:** ![skatanic28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e7dd6/32.png) [@skatanic28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/skatanic28)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/282 "2009-02-13T08:39:42Z")
> [@ShiftDead](#): > > I grew up in the area and I am wondering how little control they actually had over the plane. Even with it being at night less than a mile east is nothing but corn fields and wildlife reserve, also the Clarence Soccer center which is a HUGE wide open area with probably 10 houses around it. if it really hit nose down like that…it doesnt sound like they had much, if any control ☹ ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/283 "2009-02-13T08:40:19Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > You’re opinion was wrong, as evidenced by people with more aviation experience then you. Stop trying to argue the point since it is invalid. When did I ever argue it? IT WAS ONE FUCKING STATEMENT. Im arguing people saying “nope your an idiot and absolutely wrong” and then hopping on the usual nyspeed flame bandwagon. If you’re not known on the boards your opinion is always invalid. See next quote > [@ILC](#): > > you are a fucking idiot. You don’t sit there having a conversation with the tower on final approach. you broadcast over a UHF or VHF channel (I think UHF is used for long distance communication, IIRC, I’m not a com guy) > > and no if I was going down, the tower would be the last thing on my mind, and how do you know they knew they were going down long enough to be like omg lets call the tower. Do me a favor and reach out and grab something in front of you pull it to your mouth and say the word “Mayday.” If that took over a second then you can come here and shit in my mouth. Now im arguing my opinion Nik. AGAIN: I understand and can reason with every point already made. Im not even in the slightest arguing my point as the only right one. Im just putting the thought into heads and no, its not that unreasonable. ---
**Author:** ![chino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bcef8e/32.png) [@chino](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/chino)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/284 "2009-02-13T08:40:26Z")
apparently a friend of my father in-law was on the plane ☹ I had met her a number of times she was a pretty fun lady, was supposed to be getting married in the near future too. Also as chance would have it friend of a friend that works north of the border is the next door neighbor of the house that was hit. > [@MOBOOST4U](#): > > :blah: dude… just fucking stop, you are wayyyy too amped up about something that you don’t know anything about or have any connection to. just relax. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/285 "2009-02-13T08:42:11Z")
> [@Matt Danger](#): > > Why was\*the plane delayed for 2 hours? Could there have been some mechanical problems that they tried to solve but weren’t totally fixed? Flights get delayed all the time. With all the bad weather in the NE I’m sure there were tons of delayed flights last night. The shuffle they do with planes if a pretty intricate machine and it doesn’t take much to cascade delays all over the east coast if one major hub starts having weather problems. ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/286 "2009-02-13T08:43:48Z")
> [@Avatar](#): > > They found the voice recorder and black box. How do you know this??? ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/287 "2009-02-13T08:44:04Z")
> [@MOBOOST4U](#): > > Do me a favor and reach out and grab something in front of you pull it to your mouth and say the work “Mayday.” If that took over a second then you can come here and shit in my mouth. Still you are a fucking idiot… If you had a clue you would know that they wear headsets. maybe something like this… [http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop\_online/headphones/aviation\_headsets/aviation\_headset\_x/index.jsp](http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/headphones/aviation_headsets/aviation_headset_x/index.jsp) and its on the yoke, you press a switch… did you also know you can use what is called hotmic and you don’t even have to press that switch. No you probably didn’t know that, a true sign that you have no idea what you are fucking talking about in this matter. so your opinion, words, anything you know is complete irrelevant in this thread. Keep in mind … going nose down to approach a 2300 altitude (1586 ft to hitting ground) comes up pretty quick. so panic sets in and oh hay… nose straight into the ground. ---
**Author:** ![Tunerfreak](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tunerfreak/32/7427_2.png) [@Tunerfreak](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Tunerfreak)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/288 "2009-02-13T08:44:35Z")
> [@MOBOOST4U](#): > > How do you know this??? turn on the tv and it was said a few posts ago ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/289 "2009-02-13T08:46:12Z")
> [@TrueBlue](#): > > can we change the title of this thread to something more respectful? Whoever changed it - thanks. :tup: Finding some interesting reading on this airframe. Lots of issues with the main gear, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/290 "2009-02-13T08:46:53Z")
^ :tup: Dan, whats landing speed on that machine? ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/291 "2009-02-13T08:48:48Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > ^ :tup: > > Dan, whats landing speed on that machine? turbo prop might be different to what I’m use to… but at that point I could easily see 140knots. or **161.109123 mph** ---
**Author:** ![rugsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rugsr/32/7474_2.png) [@rugsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rugsr)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/292 "2009-02-13T08:52:26Z")
A friend of mine works down town and his co-worker was on that plane. Another co-worker was on his way to pick the guy up:( ---
**Author:** ![Eazy716](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/eazy716/32/7443_2.png) [@Eazy716](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eazy716)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/293 "2009-02-13T08:53:34Z")
> [@chino](#): > > apparently a friend of my father in-law was on the plane ☹ > > I had met her a number of times she was a pretty fun lady, was supposed to be getting married in the near future too. :tdown: ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/294 "2009-02-13T08:54:17Z")
Cross posting pictures of the property. 6038 Long Street. ![http://www.erie.gov/clarence/assessment/challenge/vollocal/T000101/1432000441800002019000%20%20%20%200001.JPG](http://www.erie.gov/clarence/assessment/challenge/vollocal/T000101/1432000441800002019000%20%20%20%200001.JPG) ![http://www.erie.gov/clarence/assessment/challenge/vollocal/T000076/14320004418000020190000002.JPG](http://www.erie.gov/clarence/assessment/challenge/vollocal/T000076/14320004418000020190000002.JPG) ![http://www.erie.gov/clarence/assessment/challenge/vollocal/T000008/14320004418000020190000004.JPG](http://www.erie.gov/clarence/assessment/challenge/vollocal/T000008/14320004418000020190000004.JPG) ![http://www.erie.gov/clarence/assessment/challenge/vollocal/T000101/1432000441800002019000%20%20%20%200005.JPG](http://www.erie.gov/clarence/assessment/challenge/vollocal/T000101/1432000441800002019000%20%20%20%200005.JPG) ![http://www.erie.gov/clarence/assessment/challenge/vollocal/T000101/1432000441800002019000%20%20%20%200006.JPG](http://www.erie.gov/clarence/assessment/challenge/vollocal/T000101/1432000441800002019000%20%20%20%200006.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/295 "2009-02-13T08:54:31Z")
Do they have the manifest posted anywhere yet? Or will they post it? ---
**Author:** ![fiend540](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bcef8e/32.png) [@fiend540](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fiend540)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/296 "2009-02-13T08:55:02Z")
> [@ILC](#): > > turbo prop might be different to what I’m use to… but at that point I could easily see 140knots. or > **161.109123 mph** Uhg, thats a big impact ☹ ---
**Author:** ![ShiftDead](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shiftdead/32/7508_2.png) [@ShiftDead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShiftDead)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/297 "2009-02-13T08:55:28Z")
> [@skatanic28](#): > > if it really hit nose down like that…it doesnt sound like they had much, if any control ☹ Yea, My friend that works at the airport called me probably 15 min after it went down. He was flipping a shit saying that a plane crashed in my dads neighborhood. I did not believe him at first then I turned on the TV and almost shit a brick. My dads neighbor has videos on her phone. From what she said that there was no like crash trail or anything it just fell like a brick from the sky. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/298 "2009-02-13T08:55:40Z")
this joke was already posted and deleted once. too soon. thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/299 "2009-02-13T08:55:53Z")
> [@fiend540](#): > > Uhg, thats a big impact ☹ That is normal landing speed, it was probably going quite a bit faster than that when it hit. ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968/300 "2009-02-13T08:56:53Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > That is normal landing speed, it was probably going quite a bit faster than that when it hit. yea it would actually be around 200knots at that pint… 240mph… soooo… yea [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flight-3407-tragedy-thread/62968.md?page=16)