# Ford engines\>GM engines **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [September 20, 2007, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ford-engines-gm-engines/192549 "2007-09-20T10:20:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 52
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> [@New Ferrari 430 Scuderia](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-ferrari-430-scuderia/32589/2): > > show me one n/a mod motor that can compete with the LSx series when full bolts on and cams/heads are added? even the great LT5 Zr1 only made 405 crank hp. full modded 415 inch Lt5’s are putting down 500+ at the wheels or something like 615 crank as advertised by i believe lingenfelter back in the day. Not sure if he still does that stuff anymore. That motor didnt last long… they made the new king of the hill vette called the Z06 and the Ls6 which matched the ZR1 with much less weight and better fuel economy. now the Ls7 which is insane. Mod motors dont cut it. > > Ford did it right with the 5.4 cobra r but dropped that motor for some unknown reason. they should have stuck with it. Mod motors with cams simply dont compete with pushrod motors. hell the old 5.0 is kicking ass. with more modern advancements in head design and ecm control, it could have been a great power motor with great fuel economy like the ls1. > > Hell mopar figured that shit out with their Hemi…which is similar to the LS1. took them long enough… > > I do give credit to ford for looking into direct injection…thats a step inthe right direction for sure. turbocharging is awesome as well. I feel turbos should be used more often for the advantage of more power while saving fuel with a smaller motor in a lighter package. I like how Gm is thinkin of turboing the cobalt and i think some of the GXP series cars why does it have to be n/a? Everyone and their mother knows that the 03/04 cobra motor is better better than any lsx motor. The motors are comparable in price to build and the cobra motor will make more hp, more torque, and have a flatter torque curve. And don’t throw out the lamest excuse you gm heads have, “but it’s supercharged”. Maybe GM should get it’s head out of it’s ass and realize that FI is the way to go, every other manufacturer found this out. And about sound, even the little ass 4.6 sounds better than the gm motors. But nothing sounds as good as the small block ford. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ford-engines-gm-engines/192549)._