# Forget the LS1 swap FD, FDSM is way cooler! - Update post 152! **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [August 19, 2009, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326 "2009-08-19T09:42:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Detective\_Coating](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/detective_coating/32/5319_2.png) [@Detective\_Coating](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Detective_Coating)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/61 "2009-08-25T07:10:01Z")
> [@sweet89s13](#): > > I find it HILARIOUS that you dsm guys group together like a bunch of battered women, fighting like hell to defend your honor. > > Makes big power, unreliable but not as bad as a rotary. But close. Anyone i have ever known to have one sinks a shitload of money into them. beit for more power or just to keep it on the road. :picard::noob: You really are completely ignorant aren’t you? You get facts thrown in your face and still don’t realize it. You really expected us not to say anything to you after your comments? Hmmm, this thread is about a 4G63, of course were going to be in here, so you should get your fgt ass out 😉 You and your drift buddies obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. The people you know must be the ones that don’t know what they’re doing and are what give DSM’ers a bad rep. > [@sweet89s13](#): > > in any of my previous posts i have not stated numbers for stats. The rotary numbers were an estimate, not a true example. > > I actually do not know all numbers of cars produced with 4g63 motors. Or rotary for that matter. So quit talking shit when you just admitted you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about and don’t have any facts to back it up. > AGAIN 100 cars out of HOW MANY EVER MADE I think you tried to reference some stats there and you failed. ---
**Author:** ![sweet89s13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@sweet89s13](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sweet89s13)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/62 "2009-08-25T07:16:57Z")
so you can tell me how many 7 bolt main 4g63’s were made ever? And how many were reliable, and so called bulletproof? or how about total number of 4g63’s ever made. i would like to see the numbers and proof of reliability…really. all i stated was that i do not know how many were ever made, but i do know that it is a KNOWN problem. kind of like ka24de’s without proper maint. CAN have timing chains eat through the front cover. NOT a totality of them but some. But it is a KNOWN problem. put your balls away. i DID say that this car in this post hauls ass. end of discussion ---
**Author:** ![Detective\_Coating](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/detective_coating/32/5319_2.png) [@Detective\_Coating](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Detective_Coating)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/63 "2009-08-25T07:25:20Z")
> so you can tell me how many 7 bolt main 4g63’s were made ever? And how many were reliable, and so called bulletproof? or how about total number of 4g63’s ever made. Roughly 200,000 were made in 95-96 Can I tell you how many times the pope shit throughout his life? Are you serious? You expect me to track down everyone that has ever owned one and see if it was modded or not if maintenance was done properly to see if it was a fault from the factory that something had gone wrong with it. GTFO > i would like to see the numbers and proof of reliability…really. I would like to see Tupac come back and kick you in the head, is it going to happen? Hell no. How the hell do you expect someone to prove that? > all i stated was that i do not know how many were ever made, but i do know that it is a KNOWN problem. kind of like ka24de’s without proper maint. CAN have timing chains eat through the front cover. NOT a totality of them but some. But it is a KNOWN problem. > put your balls away. i DID say that this car in this post hauls ass. end of discussion Yes it is and AIDS is a known problem, does it mean every person is garbage because of it? Of course it halls ass 😉 ---
**Author:** ![sweet89s13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@sweet89s13](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sweet89s13)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/64 "2009-08-25T07:46:04Z")
soooo…your 100 out of 200,000 (95-96) is PROOF that the 4g63 does Not have a problem with crankwalk. or other inherinent problems. sure. i want numbers you give me tupac. good job. we’ll see how long it lasts with out a rebuild. ---
**Author:** ![Detective\_Coating](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/detective_coating/32/5319_2.png) [@Detective\_Coating](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Detective_Coating)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/65 "2009-08-25T07:53:50Z")
> [@sweet89s13](#): > > soooo…your 100 out of 200,000 (95-96) is PROOF that the 4g63 does Not have a problem with crankwalk. or other inherinent problems. sure. Obviously you never took a stats course. His 100 is out of 100. Not out of 200k. If you really want numbers go ask every DSM owner there ever was to get a complete diagnosis of their car from a Mitsu tech to verify that it had CW’d or not. > [@sweet89s13](#): > > i want numbers you give me tupac. good job. Never heard of an analogy either I guess > [@sweet89s13](#): > > we’ll see how long it lasts with out a rebuild. You really don’t know anything do you? The car is fucking fast and it sure as hell wasn’t cheap. Fast, cheap, reliable. Pick 2 and deal with it. With the car strictly as a track car making 150+mph passes of course its not reliable ---
**Author:** ![sweet89s13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@sweet89s13](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sweet89s13)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/66 "2009-08-25T08:14:44Z")
hey i didnt mean to get you all upset. The car is sick, fast, and backs up numbers kudos to it. no kudos to you for being over defensive, you take things to heart. besides its just a car. 😉 if i want cheap, fast, reliable ill just get a turbo civic. and you are right i know nothing… ---
**Author:** ![Jskrapper](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jskrapper/32/7570_2.png) [@Jskrapper](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jskrapper)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/67 "2009-08-25T08:24:52Z")
Wow, this thread still lives? > [@sweet89s13](#): > > . I wish ignorant people weren’t so…well…ignorant. Now you are only trying to start stupid shit. ---
**Author:** ![orzech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@orzech](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/orzech)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/68 "2009-08-25T09:51:42Z")
> [@sweet89s13](#): > > if i want cheap, fast, reliable ill just get a turbo civic. you do realize you can only have 2 out of the following. A 13 sec 1/4 is not fast. you could easily get a dsm in the 12’s for less than $2500 total including the price of the car, would i recommend it? No. and let me break this down for you. its called a proportion. 0/100 = y/200,000 200,000 x 0 = 100y _200,000 x 0_ = Y 100 0 = Y = crankwalk problems (at the rate we have experienced CW in WNY) > [@sweet89s13](#): > > we’ll see how long it lasts with out a rebuild. well lets see to start with, gary went 10’s on a stock bottom end in a 1g. cory went 10’s with a stock 7 bolt in his 2g that you say is supposed to be crankwalked already. what other proof do you need? id like to see your honda do that with stock internals. ---
**Author:** ![sweet89s13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@sweet89s13](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sweet89s13)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/69 "2009-08-25T10:55:16Z")
[http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1995-to-1999-mitsubishi-eclipse-2.htm](http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1995-to-1999-mitsubishi-eclipse-2.htm) just saying… ---
**Author:** ![94excivic](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94excivic/32/5263_2.png) [@94excivic](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94excivic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/70 "2009-08-25T11:01:22Z")
I’m Working on a ka swap for my talon…can’t wait to be rwd and get hoes :tup: I’m sure il go 12s on that bottom end ---
**Author:** ![sweet89s13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@sweet89s13](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sweet89s13)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/71 "2009-08-25T11:02:40Z")
im done with you guys. Just as stubborn as i am ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/72 "2009-08-25T11:37:00Z")
Lol, so much dsm hate. 4 cylinders are for fags. straight 6 ftw. ---
**Author:** ![neonpwr98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6f9a4e/32.png) [@neonpwr98](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neonpwr98)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/73 "2009-08-25T11:45:30Z")
Mine’s a 7 bolt… It does alright… ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/74 "2009-08-25T12:31:36Z")
> [@newman](#): > > Lol, so much dsm hate. > > 4 cylinders are for fags. > > straight 6 ftw. yeah, you’re right…4 cylinder cars are for giant cock gobbling faggots… oh wait, don’t you own 2 four cyl cars? … weird ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/75 "2009-08-25T12:32:43Z")
I think my rabbit is 5 cyl, but i honestly am not positive. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/76 "2009-08-25T12:33:26Z")
A quick google search reveals that it is indeed a 5 cylinder. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/77 "2009-08-25T12:33:50Z")
> [@newman](#): > > I think my rabbit is 5 cyl, but i honestly am not positive. you’ve never even popped the hood have you? edit: fucking aye, it is a 5 cylinder [http://wikicars.org/en/Volkswagen\_Rabbit](http://wikicars.org/en/Volkswagen_Rabbit) you’re still a faggot ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/78 "2009-08-25T12:37:51Z")
I did once to put windshield washer fluid in it, but there was a big plastic cover over it. The less I know about that fggt trap, the less I’ll wanna mod it. EDIT: Scratch that. I’ll never wanna mod that fggt mobile even if i knew the specs and dimensions of every component by heart. ---
**Author:** ![cougarspeed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cougarspeed/32/7468_2.png) [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/79 "2009-08-25T12:55:23Z")
LOL I totally forgot you owned that thing. Fggt ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/forget-the-ls1-swap-fd-fdsm-is-way-cooler-update-post-152/72326/80 "2009-08-25T12:55:57Z")
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