# Four new technologies on display at Le Mans **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [June 3, 2012, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972 "2012-06-03T12:20:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RocketPunch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rocketpunch/32/6429_2.png) [@RocketPunch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RocketPunch)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/1 "2012-06-03T12:20:34Z")
So **_THIS_** is the format war of our automotive future…:rofl. Enjoy! Race is next week! ![http://i.imgur.com/KEvWp.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/e/b/eb98dfa2b0e86cbfa325cf425a116f29f278d496.jpeg) > 2012 sees a major ‘first’ for the 24 Hours of Le Mans and the ACO with the presentation of four new technological approaches to racing here at the circuit this weekend. [ame][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtAfUjfcPK8[/ame]](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtAfUjfcPK8%5B/ame%5D) > The Audi R18 e-tron Quattro is using _four-wheel drive and flywheel hybrid technology_ to store energy, while their close rival in the LM P1 category, the Toyota TS 030 Hybrid, uses a different _hybrid system of super capacitors and is two- wheel drive_. [ame][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O65XF8wkfPY[/ame]](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O65XF8wkfPY%5B/ame%5D) > Then there is the innovative Delta Wing Nissan with a tiny _1.6 litre turbo-charged engine and a remarkable ‘aero package’ that has to be seen to be believed_. The Nissan is in action on track and is running impressively on the pace of the more conventional LM P2 cars. [ame][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_2Fx3C0jB70[/ame]](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Fx3C0jB70%5B/ame%5D) > Finally the Green GT team gave us a first look at their remarkable Green GT H2 which breaks entirely new ground. It is powered by a _hydrogen cell and two electric motors driving the rear wheels_. Much to the credit of the ACO, they have allocated ‘Pit Garage 56’ to the team and invited the Green GT car to race here at Le Mans in 2013. [http://www.greengt.com/en/greengt-h2.php](http://www.greengt.com/en/greengt-h2.php) > As the first test session of the day progresses, the Toyota is right on the pace of the Audis and the Nissan Delta Wing is proving its doubters wrong. The Green GT will be fired up and running at the Silverstone Round of FIA WEC Championship in August, but will not compete. ---
**Author:** ![RTrac1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rtrac1/32/6312_2.png) [@RTrac1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RTrac1)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/2 "2012-06-03T12:33:45Z")
“GreenGT has begun the construction of a new high-power fuel cell that provides 340 kW, or 460 hp.” thats crazy! thats a huge ass fuel cell and it will use tons of hydrogen to run it at that output. ---
**Author:** ![RocketPunch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rocketpunch/32/6429_2.png) [@RocketPunch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RocketPunch)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/3 "2012-06-03T12:42:54Z")
> [@Neon Driver Charged - You know him! With Pic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neon-driver-charged-you-know-him-with-pic/49813/41): > > “GreenGT has begun the construction of a new high-power fuel cell that provides 340 kW, or 460 hp.” > > thats crazy! thats a huge ass fuel cell and it will use tons of hydrogen to run it at that output. I am really not sure how hydrogen race cars will react to crashing, I hope they already have that squared away, but the thing is you really never know until one crashes. Having said that, I still thinks the HFC is really the way to go for road vehicles with the already easily adaptable infrastructures and the especially to the way how the vehicles can be refueled. As much as how “High Tech” our cars are today, we are still essentially using the barbaric 150+ years old “controlled explosion” engine format. :rofl ---
**Author:** ![RTrac1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rtrac1/32/6312_2.png) [@RTrac1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RTrac1)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/4 "2012-06-03T12:59:18Z")
they use type IV composite tanks. super high strength and they’ve crash tested tanks like that for road going cars already. they’re pretty much bulletproof. even if the tank did rupture, as long as there is no direct source of ignition at the leak, the hydrogen just quickly rises (much lighter than air) I guess the biggest risk is the high pressure they’re using. likely 10,000psi ---
**Author:** ![AMD\_IS\_THE\_BEST](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/amd_is_the_best/32/6342_2.png) [@AMD\_IS\_THE\_BEST](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AMD_IS_THE_BEST)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/5 "2012-06-03T16:16:26Z")
Audi FTW (sorry, I’m a bit biased)! Can’t wait to see how the race goes with Quattro in the car. ---
**Author:** ![GD3Skier](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gd3skier/32/6400_2.png) [@GD3Skier](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GD3Skier)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/6 "2012-06-03T16:25:34Z")
The Nissan looks like an SR-71 ---
**Author:** ![Skidplate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@Skidplate](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Skidplate)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/7 "2012-06-03T20:00:21Z")
> [@anyone have pics of the point of no return sign at the falls?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-have-pics-of-the-point-of-no-return-sign-at-the-falls/49767/15): > > The Nissan looks like an SR-71 also looks like it doesn’t turn for shit. ---
**Author:** ![cazwrx187](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cazwrx187/32/6388_2.png) [@cazwrx187](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cazwrx187)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/8 "2012-06-04T06:52:14Z")
> [@A Graph of the Last 24 Hours of Charlton Heston's Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-graph-of-the-last-24-hours-of-charlton-hestons-life/49787/9): > > also looks like it doesn’t turn for shit. :skid ---
**Author:** ![d\_gage](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/d_gage/32/6321_2.png) [@d\_gage](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d_gage)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/9 "2012-06-04T07:01:10Z")
Delta wing is awesome, Doing more with less is a pretty cool concept ---
**Author:** ![RocketPunch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rocketpunch/32/6429_2.png) [@RocketPunch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RocketPunch)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/10 "2012-06-04T09:58:15Z")
> [@Bring back public executions](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bring-back-public-executions/49805/3): > > Audi FTW (sorry, I’m a bit biased)! Can’t wait to see how the race goes with Quattro in the car. Unless something horrible happens, everyone knows Audi is gonna win LMP1. They have the best resources and the best drivers for LeMans. Period. ---
**Author:** ![AMD\_IS\_THE\_BEST](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/amd_is_the_best/32/6342_2.png) [@AMD\_IS\_THE\_BEST](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AMD_IS_THE_BEST)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/11 "2012-06-04T10:20:32Z")
> [@Neon Driver Charged - You know him! With Pic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neon-driver-charged-you-know-him-with-pic/49813/77): > > Unless something horrible happens, everyone knows Audi is gonna win LMP1. They have the best resources and the best drivers for LeMans. Period. Are they running in two classes? I know they’re still running the diesel as well right? I’ve seen posts of the crazy dual outlet turbo they have built for it. Plus now the E-tron quattro. ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/12 "2012-06-04T10:55:54Z")
> [@Neon Driver Charged - You know him! With Pic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neon-driver-charged-you-know-him-with-pic/49813/77): > > Unless something horrible happens, everyone knows Audi is gonna win LMP1. They have the best resources and the best drivers for LeMans. Period. I think Audi would have some competition if Peugeot was still running. In fact at Sebring this year, Peugeot 2012 cars were there, drivers were en route, when apparently they got a call saying the program was cancelled. The R18 e-Tron cars are pretty awesome, being diesel-hybrids and all. Even the regular R18 was upgraded this year (called the R18 Ultra) a little bit (similar to all other year-to-year changes to be competitive. Audi is saying all closed cockpit cars in LMP1 they will ever use will be called R18. They used to change the name when a newer chassis came out (R8, R10, R15). **ALSO: If you all remember The Truth in 24 documentary about Audi Le Mans a few years ago, they just released the "sequel" which is about last year's victory and it is FREE on iTunes (in both HS and SD).** ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/13 "2012-06-04T11:01:30Z")
> [@worst turn EVAR!!!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/worst-turn-evar/49775/13): > > Are they running in two classes? I know they’re still running the diesel as well right? I’ve seen posts of the crazy dual outlet turbo they have built for it. Plus now the E-tron quattro. I’m not 100%, but I believe the diesel hybrids will be running in an exhibition class, not an actual competitive one (similar to Porsche running that GT3 hybrid at 24hr of NuR). They’re running two of each car. My boy McNish ran the the fastest time during testing… Using the #2 e-Tron car. He put the #1 e-Tron car into a wall just before that though. EDIT: The hybrids are running in the regular LMP1 class. [http://www.lemans.org/wpphpFichiers/1/1/ressources/Pdf/2012/journee-test/entry-list-test-day-24-heures-du-mans-2012.pdf](http://www.lemans.org/wpphpFichiers/1/1/ressources/Pdf/2012/journee-test/entry-list-test-day-24-heures-du-mans-2012.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![RocketPunch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rocketpunch/32/6429_2.png) [@RocketPunch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RocketPunch)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/14 "2012-06-04T13:00:20Z")
> [@worst turn EVAR!!!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/worst-turn-evar/49775/13): > > Are they running in two classes? I know they’re still running the diesel as well right? I’ve seen posts of the crazy dual outlet turbo they have built for it. Plus now the E-tron quattro. I think there is a non E-Tron version in LMP2, but I don’t think that is a works car. ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/15 "2012-06-04T13:44:08Z")
> [@FS: 240 S13 parts](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-240-s13-parts/49607/5): > > I think there is a non E-Tron version in LMP2, but I don’t think that is a works car. They’re still running the non-hybrids in LMP1. See above post of mine for the entry list. All of the Audis are running in LMP1. What I really find interesting is they’re putting their best drivers in the e-Tron cars. The #1 car has the drivers who won LMP1 last year, and #2 has the famous McNish-Capello-Kristansen trio. The non-hybrid cars have drivers I haven’t heard of lol. ---
**Author:** ![crazybrew609](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/crazybrew609/32/6319_2.png) [@crazybrew609](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/crazybrew609)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/16 "2012-06-04T18:37:01Z")
> [@worst turn EVAR!!!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/worst-turn-evar/49775/13): > > Are they running in two classes? I know they’re still running the diesel as well right? I’ve seen posts of the crazy dual outlet turbo they have built for it. Plus now the E-tron quattro. ---
**Author:** ![RTrac1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rtrac1/32/6312_2.png) [@RTrac1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RTrac1)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/17 "2012-06-15T06:24:44Z")
Qualifying results. 1 1 Audi Sport Team Joest Audi R18 e-tron quattro LMP1 3:25.453 28 3:24.997 4 3:23.787 3 3:23.787 2 3 Audi Sport Team Joest Audi R18 Ultra LMP1 3:26.694 23 3:24.078 23 3:27.578 29 3:24.078 +0.291 3 8 Toyota Racing Toyota TS 030 - Hybrid LMP1 3:28.295 21 3:26.151 19 3:24.842 28 3:24.842 +1.055 4 2 Audi Sport Team Joest Audi R18 e-tron quattro LMP1 3:26.536 3 3:26.038 11 3:25.433 6 3:25.433 +1.646 5 7 Toyota Racing Toyota TS 030 - Hybrid LMP1 3:27.191 8 3:26.502 17 3:25.488 25 3:25.488 +1.701 6 4 Audi Sport North America Audi R18 Ultra LMP1 3:27.554 28 3:26.420 17 3:26.600 2 3:26.420 +2.633 7 21 Strakka Racing HPD ARX 03a - Honda LMP1 3:32.750 4 3:29.622 23 3:37.253 15 3:29.622 +5.835 8 12 Rebellion Racing Lola B12/60 Coupe - Toyota LMP1 3:33.211 9 3:29.837 28 3:34.476 6 3:29.837 +6.050 9 13 Rebellion Racing Lola B12/60 Coupe - Toyota LMP1 3:33.140 3 3:31.866 21 3:41.533 23 3:31.866 +8.079 10 17 Pescarolo Team Dome - Judd LMP1 3:34.716 9 3:34.925 12 3:33.066 3 3:33.066 +9.279 ---
**Author:** ![RocketPunch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rocketpunch/32/6429_2.png) [@RocketPunch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RocketPunch)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/18 "2012-06-15T08:42:57Z")
Looks like going to be another boring race…:rofl ---
**Author:** ![RTrac1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rtrac1/32/6312_2.png) [@RTrac1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RTrac1)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/19 "2012-06-15T14:15:38Z")
It’ll be interesting to find out how many laps the toyotas can turn out per pitstop. Hopefully they have something up their sleeve to battle audi ---
**Author:** ![RocketPunch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rocketpunch/32/6429_2.png) [@RocketPunch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RocketPunch)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972/20 "2012-06-16T13:47:17Z")
Well the Delta Wing got f’d up by the TS030 driven by Nakajima in a stupid move. I was so rooting for the TS030 up that point and now I wish they are dead last… [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-new-technologies-on-display-at-le-mans/263972.md?page=2)