# Free College for Buffalo city schools? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 21, 2011, 5:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266 "2011-12-21T05:39:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![FadetoBlack](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fadetoblack/32/6118_2.png) [@FadetoBlack](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FadetoBlack)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/41 "2011-12-21T08:16:25Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > The Federal Reserve takes hundreds of billions every year and they don’t provide ANY equity building jobs. The Federal Reserve’s job is to control the money supply. They use different techniques to either help the economy grow or help it contract if inflation becomes too high. It pretty much acts as a buffer between the government and the public to prevent the economy from spiraling out of control, either up or down. The truth is, we need The Fed. Also, it does provide jobs, it just does it indirectly by loosening the money supply when necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/42 "2011-12-21T08:18:51Z")
Wow, I am not even going to go there in this thread. Thanks for the definition though. ---
**Author:** ![drvnkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drvnkd/32/109615_2.png) [@drvnkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drvnkd)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/43 "2011-12-21T08:19:48Z")
Redistribution is not the answer, but the problem is that the middle class can not afford to spend what needs to be spend to push the nation forward. But, the things we buy are not made here. In the 50’s to the 70’s the top 1% was close to middle class in terms of their portion of the economy. Then they started pulling away and the middle class did not even come close to keeping up. I saw a chart somewhere like this one, that showed it, but it was a library book, so I can’t just go dig it up ☹ ![http://www.truthfulpolitics.com/images/real-after-tax-income.gif](http://www.truthfulpolitics.com/images/real-after-tax-income.gif) As a society we are basically going to be screwed in the next decade. The middle class will push to make sure the rich fall while no fucks will be given about the roll that 1% really plays. Most of us put a higher premium on the cost of giving something up than we do on receiving an item in the first place. If only the Rich would spend the same percentage of their income as the middle class, the world would be saved. They would even have to hire a team of people because its too much work for 3 or 4 employees to spend that much money. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/44 "2011-12-21T08:22:20Z")
If they weren’t threatened/scared by their govt they may just spend more, just because someone is rich doesn’t mean they can’t be a prepper. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![FadetoBlack](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fadetoblack/32/6118_2.png) [@FadetoBlack](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FadetoBlack)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/45 "2011-12-21T08:23:09Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Wow, I am not even going to go there in this thread. Thanks for the definition though. Shoot me a PM if you want. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/46 "2011-12-21T08:23:38Z")
Aside from the economic and financial problems that effect this nation and the world on a daily basis. I think that this is a great program from the teaming up of two NON PROFIT organizations. To offer an incentive to the Buffalo Public School students which suffer from a 47.4% graduation rate is great and heartwarming to say the least. I’m sure most are familiar with the problems that the BPS face and that the majority of Buffalo city residents rely on some form of social services. These kids don’t have much in the way of role models or proper examples to help show them that there is more to life than their surroundings. If this program inspires even one kid to tough it out and do better in school because they know they will get to go to college then it’s a success. Education is a proven way to help improve socio economic issues. How many times have we seen ghetto people on youtube videos and think my god that is some fucking ignorance. Only way to break the cycle is through education. Speaking to the tax base and wealth disparity, this program is not income based. Any kid has access to it. If I were a parent now I might consider actually moving to Buffalo to help get my child an extra leg up into college. This program has the potential to increase the density of the city (which solves many of the problems of sprawl and aging infrastructure for the county), increase the tax base, help students and families that are part of the lower and middle class provide a future for their kids. Best part, it doesn’t cost the tax payer. At 47.4% graduation rate I’m sure they won’t be paying to much out. However we will see in 2013 when program is officially available. ---
**Author:** ![FadetoBlack](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fadetoblack/32/6118_2.png) [@FadetoBlack](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FadetoBlack)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/47 "2011-12-21T08:25:51Z")
[quote=“drvnkd,post:43,topic:219266"”] If only the Rich would spend the same percentage of their income as the middle class, the world would be saved. They would even have to hire a team of people because its too much work for 3 or 4 employees to spend that much money. [/quote] The thing is, the rich WON’T spend what they’re supposed to -just like you said. The middle class would spend what they’re supposed to, because they have to. That’s exactly why we need to change the tax code to help out the middle class, which is exactly what I’ve been saying. ---
**Author:** ![Shockwave179](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shockwave179/32/7496_2.png) [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/48 "2011-12-21T08:26:39Z")
> [@FadetoBlack](#): > > You epitomize everything that is wrong with the mindset of our country, junior. :tdown: > > By the way, I come on here to dick around and to be entertained. You wouldn’t believe just how much I actually know about this stuff. I come on here to be entertained as well. Right now you are doing a pretty good job of it with your economic theories. Please enlighten me with the rest of your vast array of economics knowledge so that I can remain entertained. :lol: ---
**Author:** ![FadetoBlack](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fadetoblack/32/6118_2.png) [@FadetoBlack](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FadetoBlack)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/49 "2011-12-21T08:31:34Z")
> [@Shockwave179](#): > > I come on here to be entertained as well. Right now you are doing a pretty good job of it with your economic theories. > > Please enlighten me with the rest of your vast array of economics knowledge so that I can remain entertained. > > :lol: Nope, I’m putting you on ignore instead. :biglaugh: ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/50 "2011-12-21T08:32:12Z")
I will say this, which is obvious and probably why the rich don’t contribute in terms of spending. You don’t stay rich by spending it. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/51 "2011-12-21T08:38:16Z")
> [@livin4hockey](#): > > **But how much of that money will be wasted if the kids can’t produce in college? It’s not like magically they’ll figure it out and be successful in college.** Even if they graduate from the city schools, that doesn’t translate to them being prepared for college. I like the idea and really really hope that this helps motivate the city schools to shape up and boost their graduation rates, **but the odds of that happening are just not likely.** If anything, I’m sure some shady techniques will be utilized to get more kids through the system, just like the rest of the country has done the past few decades. I think you and I can both agree that this is what is going to happen. > [@livin4hockey](#): > > THIS! Not to get off the tangent of our nation’s economic woes here, **but really parenting is the number one issue with how some of these students fail in life.** You can blame the education system, blame the teachers, blame the administrators, blame the schools, etc. The fact is _we can’t teach you everything you need to know at school._ There is a lot to be learned at home, and many of these kids are missing out on it with “parents” who can’t fill that void in their life. The hardest part of being a teacher is having kids that have the potential to learn, but no drive or motivation to do so. I can’t force someone to be motivated, I can’t force parents to be better role models, I can’t babysit the kids throughout their education. I’m not a miracle worker, I’m a teacher. This program is going to dump a ton of money to kids that, for the majority, will go to college for some bullshit degree because it was handed to them for free. They will abuse the system and get an “education” for what it’s worth. ---
**Author:** ![Shockwave179](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shockwave179/32/7496_2.png) [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/52 "2011-12-21T08:41:31Z")
> [@FadetoBlack](#): > > Nope, I’m putting you on ignore instead. :biglaugh: Damn… Now I don’t know what to do with myself without these awesome economic theories you have. ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/53 "2011-12-21T09:14:50Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Traderbase, The Federal Reserve takes hundreds of billions every year and they don’t provide ANY equity building jobs. At least [some of] the other companies are creating good jobs. > > I stand by the old adage “If you divide all of the money evenly today the same people who were rich will be rich again”. > > Who will pay for the additional armed gaurds at Buff State if this idea actually happens? I’m not suggesting dividing _money_ up evenly, that’s moronic and would go hand in hand with the “lotto curse”. I do NOT believe in punishing those that work for what they earn AND if you didn’t earn it you won’t respect it. My issue is through government elitism we don’t even give the poor a chance to earn anything to respect. The elite lobbyists don’t EARN what they are rewarded with today, they bought their way into a system that isn’t supposed to be for sale (our government). Republicans focus on the rich, Democrats focus on the rich and some of the upper middle class. BOTH main parties neglect the poor INCLUDING THE WORKING POOR, on many levels. I really can’t believe I’m bothering to type this because I know the mindset of the majority on here, as evident by the naysayers to Fade and my posts. I will respond to the armed guard thing…that’s absurd. Crime is a byproduct of inequality. If you give equal opportunity, TRUE equal opportunity then crime would go down, not up. I’m not talking about hiring a token minority that is inferior in skill, I’m talking about elevating our society from the bottom up, starting with education. I agree on the parenting issue another brought up, but why is there a parenting issue? It’s generational and alot of it has to do with education, or lack thereof. And again, as I suggested, the money we blow on entitlement programs should be geared towards EDUCATING not handing out. People are really missing the point and it’s worrisome because shit’s not that hard. Helping the poor benefits us ALL, including the middle class and wealthy, in the long haul. How can we even be debating this guys, what is the collective IQ in this thread? Jesus. > [@Carnut](#): > > I will say this, which is obvious and probably why the rich don’t contribute in terms of spending. You don’t stay rich by spending it. 😛 MEH. Rich are rich because of leverage, which includes human leverage. Rich benefit from an educated and large middle class. The middle class is shrinking because of things like globalization and flat wages when adjusted for inflation. Couple flat wages with rising fixed expenditures (housing and medical) and it shouldn’t be a surprise that middle class is being driven to poverty and debt. > **[Step inside New York's most expensive house... on sale for a staggering...](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1367055/New-Yorks-expensive-house-goes-sale-staggering-90million.html)** > > The mansion in Manhattan’s opulent Upper East Side boasts ten bedrooms, 11 bathrooms, three kitchens, a wood-panelled library, a wet bar, a dumb waiter, an elevator, a gym and a garden. They got full asking price from what I read. So again, the rich are rich because they don’t spend? 😉 Added— My bad, a 22 year old chick bought it for 88 mil. > **[Russian billionaire's DAUGHTER, 22, bought New York's most expensive...](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2076017/Ekaterina-Rybolovleva-Russian-billionaires-daughter-buys-88m-New-York-apartment.html)** > > A company associated with Ekaterina Rybolovleva, daughter of a well-known businessman Dmitriy Rybolovleva, has signed a contract to purchase the apartment at 15 Central Park West, New York. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/54 "2011-12-21T09:22:32Z")
Fade and trader’s always post such well thought out posts. I like reading it, though I really can’t contribute much. ---------- Post added at 12:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:19 PM ---------- > [@bobbyg1243](#): > > lol @ salary. 100% commission right here and I wouldn’t have it any other way. I’d also like to add that I have never disagreed so strongly to any statement ever. ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/55 "2011-12-21T09:38:11Z")
> [@TradersBASE](#): > > MEH. Rich are rich because of leverage, which includes human leverage. Rich benefit from an educated and large middle class. The middle class is shrinking because of things like globalization and flat wages when adjusted for inflation. Couple flat wages with rising fixed expenditures (housing and medical) and it shouldn’t be a surprise that middle class is being driven to poverty and debt. > > [New York's most expensive house goes on sale for a staggering $90million | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1367055/New-Yorks-expensive-house-goes-sale-staggering-90million.html) > They got full asking price from what I read. So again, the rich are rich because they don’t spend? 😉 > Added— > My bad, a 22 year old chick bought it for 88 mil. > [Ekaterina Rybolovleva, 22, buys $88m New York apartment | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2076017/Ekaterina-Rybolovleva-Russian-billionaires-daughter-buys-88m-New-York-apartment.html) I agree with that. As for the apartment purchase, that’s one example and from a culture known for outlandish material purchases by their oligarchical rich class after generations of government controlled business. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![FadetoBlack](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fadetoblack/32/6118_2.png) [@FadetoBlack](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FadetoBlack)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/56 "2011-12-21T09:43:02Z")
> [@newman](#): > > Fade and trader’s always post such well thought out posts. I like reading it, though I really can’t contribute much. Thanks man, it’s nice to know that someone gets something out of it because most of the time I’m asking myself why I even bother. Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![BOBBYGRV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/57 "2011-12-21T09:51:31Z")
> [@newman](#): > > I’d also like to add that I have never disagreed so strongly to any statement ever. Have you ever had a commission job before? I write my paycheck…Nobody tells me what I make. If you like showing up to work knowing how much you are going to make no matter how hard you work, then great. That’s not me. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/58 "2011-12-21T09:55:34Z")
I wasn’t saying anyone was actually suggesting we actually divide up the money, I was just making a point about the people who are super motivated by money. The armed gaurd thing was a joke. I probably should not post in these threads because I really don’t want to take the time to write an essay for every post. lol Is the argument that if some of these kids go to Buff State they will make it rich? The same people that want them to go to college are the same people saying the only way to get rich is to buy into it. I am confused, does a Buff State diploma have some secret powers to the elite? And for the record; I have no problem with private money being spent. If these donors beleive in their heart that this investment has an efficient return then great, go for it. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/59 "2011-12-21T10:27:21Z")
> [@bobbyg1243](#): > > Have you ever had a commission job before? I write my paycheck…Nobody tells me what I make. If you like showing up to work knowing how much you are going to make no matter how hard you work, then great. That’s not me. Uh I know what im going to make if I work harder the company does well and _I_ get a better bonus along with profit sharing. A lot of jobs have bonuses, profit sharing, stock options, etc your payout reflects how your work and the companies. ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2011, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/60 "2011-12-21T10:56:05Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > I wasn’t saying anyone was actually suggesting we actually divide up the money, I was just making a point about the people who are super motivated by money. > The armed gaurd thing was a joke. > I probably should not post in these threads because I really don’t want to take the time to write an essay for every post. lol > > Is the argument that if some of these kids go to Buff State they will make it rich? The same people that want them to go to college are the same people saying the only way to get rich is to buy into it. I am confused, does a Buff State diploma have some secret powers to the elite? > > And for the record; I have no problem with private money being spent. If these donors beleive in their heart that this investment has an efficient return then great, go for it. Sorry then. I mis-understood your post. I’m sure you know it was nothing personal and I respect you as a biz owner. 🙂 [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266.md?page=4)