# Free College for Buffalo city schools? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 21, 2011, 5:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266 "2011-12-21T05:39:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![FadetoBlack](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fadetoblack/32/6118_2.png) [@FadetoBlack](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FadetoBlack)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/101 "2011-12-22T11:28:39Z")
I fucking quit. I honestly don’t know why I even waste my time. By the way, I didn’t say that because the views don’t agree with mine, I said it because this thread went from a legitimate intellectual discussion between informed people to a shit show where people who didn’t even read the the thread made the same idiotic comments that were made on page 1. It accomplishes nothing. It is honestly nothing else but a waste my time to try to bring upper level ideas to a bunch of idiots and expect them to understand what I’m saying. After all, you probably only do whatever Bill O’Reilly says anyway. :picard: :picard: :picard: ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/102 "2011-12-22T11:29:10Z")
> [@jt76](#): > > Wealth re-distribution makes people think of this: > > ![http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-5/lenin.jpg](http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-5/lenin.jpg) > > **Its a no-go in this country**. No go in this country? It’s been going on for decades! Guess it all goes back to my prior point…“most of the middle class is too satiated to even realize what’s taking place” ---
**Author:** ![Shockwave179](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shockwave179/32/7496_2.png) [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/103 "2011-12-22T12:32:53Z")
> [@TradersBASE](#): > > Thanks for the well thought out reply. > > Here’s where I get hung up…people that oppose “wealth re-distribution” live in a bubble it would seem. The wealth has over the past few decades been re-distributed…to the top. The stock and financial markets mainly exist to efficiently expedite this process. Our government facilitates the process, in exchange for campaign funds and future job opportunities once out of office. If there was never any major wealth re-distribution then fine and fair enough, but there HAS BEEN and it’s a produced some major issues. > > Our government is not supposed to be on corporate payroll, they aren’t supposed to be for sale. Our government is the root cause of our inequality, the rich taking care of the rich. And most of the middle class is too satiated to even realize what’s taking place. 8/ Just because someone is realistic about something doesn’t mean they live in a bubble, at least that’s how I see it. There have always been cyclical trends as with anything in life. I won’t deny that this country has corruption problems in politics but I don’t think there has ever been a time in its history when it hasn’t. Corruption in the government doesn’t justify socialistic policy though. > [@TradersBASE](#): > > Low incomes pose a serious problem, 2 actually. The first is enabling leeches that constantly abuse handout programs. The second is how some people try but simply can’t better themselves as they don’t have the proper tools from the get go. > > One of these problems I feel we should work together to fix. The other I feel we should slam the door shut, lock it up and throw away the key. The problem is people are so cynical and greedy today that they assume everyone that earns a low income is lazy. This is a byproduct of being taken advantage of ourselves, by the elite wealthy and our government. > > The middle class is shrinking, that’s undeniable. It’s shrinking because of rising fixed expenditures and inflation, BOTH of which the elite feel no impact from. I’m not proposing ripping off the rich and giving to the poor. I’m proposing closing tax loopholes and save havens. I’m proposing our government should do what’s equitable for ALL, not just taking care of the rich and setting up their post office future That’s why I said entitlement programs need to be scrapped. I don’t have a statistical figure handy but I’d go as far as saying the majority of people on governmental assistance programs are taking advantage of the system because they are born into a society where it is common and they don’t know any better or quite frankly they don’t care. This sounds like the occupy wallstreet argument about tax loopholes and that the Rich aren’t paying the same amount of federal taxes as the middle class which is simply a fallacy. All of those people are living in fairy tale land. **The 10% of households with the highest incomes pay more than half of all federal taxes. They pay more than 70% of federal income taxes, according to the Congressional Budget Office.** **In 2009, 1,470 households filed tax returns with incomes above $1 million yet paid no federal income tax, according to the Internal Revenue Service. But that’s less than 1% of the nearly 237,000 returns with incomes above $1 million.** **This year, households making more than $1 million will pay an average 29.1% of their income in federal taxes, including income taxes, payroll taxes and other taxes, according to the Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank. Households making between $50,000 and $75,000 will pay an average of 15% of their income in federal taxes.** **Lower-income households will pay less. For example, households making between $40,000 and $50,000 will pay an average of 12.5% of their income in federal taxes. Households making between $20,000 and $30,000 will pay 5.7%.** **The latest IRS figures are a few years older — and limited to federal income taxes — but show much the same thing. In 2009, taxpayers who made $1 million or more paid on average 24.4% of their income in federal income taxes, according to the IRS.** **Those making $100,000 to $125,000 paid on average 9.9% in federal income taxes. Those making $50,000 to $60,000 paid an average of 6.3%.** Only one percent of people that filed returns over a million dollars last year managed to get away without paying federal income tax through some loophole or another. That’s a pretty minuscule percentage when you look at the big picture. I’m not defending that because in my opinion it isn’t right. All of these uneducated idiots going around spouting off that the wealthy don’t pay their fair share are misinformed though. It’s pretty clear that for the most part the tax structure is progressive. Granted capital gains is another topic but I feel like this post is already long enough. > [@FadetoBlack](#): > > I fucking quit. I honestly don’t know why I even waste my time. > > By the way, I didn’t say that because the views don’t agree with mine, I said it because this thread went from a legitimate intellectual discussion between informed people to a shit show where people who didn’t even read the the thread made the same idiotic comments that were made on page 1. > It accomplishes nothing. It is honestly nothing else but a waste my time to try to bring upper level ideas to a bunch of idiots and expect them to understand what I’m saying. After all, you probably only do whatever Bill O’Reilly says anyway. > > :picard: :picard: :picard: Aw someone has an ego problem. ---
**Author:** ![08GT500](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/08gt500/32/5417_2.png) [@08GT500](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/08GT500)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/104 "2011-12-22T12:50:55Z")
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**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/105 "2011-12-22T13:45:28Z")
> [@Shockwave179](#): > > [B]Those making $100,000 to $125,000 paid on average 9.9% in federal income taxes. Crap. I REALLY need to get a better accountant. I think I pay well over 25%… closer to 30%… ☹ EDIT: just looked it up, I was mistaken, last year it was 20% in fed. ---
**Author:** ![cougarspeed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cougarspeed/32/7468_2.png) [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/106 "2011-12-22T13:58:03Z")
I mentor some pretty rad kids at South Park High School. Would love for some of them to be able to have some new opportunity because of this. Honestly guys some of us on here do quite well for ourselves and know we all come from different levels of opportunity. I 100% believe that someone driven enough will do well for themselves but I am also 100% for helping society and helping to create opportunity and inspire change in others as well. ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/107 "2011-12-22T14:39:47Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > The money would be better spent sending them to trade schools, for a variety of reasons… > > Blah blah blah redistribution of wealth blah blah blah the poor have no excuse for being poor blah blah blah parenting blah blah they system is rigged by the rich for the rich blah blah blah beer. As usual, Fry with the touchdown. > [@cougarspeed](#): > > I mentor some pretty rad kids at South Park High School. Would love for some of them to be able to have some new opportunity because of this. > > Honestly guys some of us on here do quite well for ourselves and know we all come from different levels of opportunity. I 100% believe that someone driven enough will do well for themselves but I am also 100% for helping society and helping to create opportunity and inspire change in others as well. Agreed 100%, I also have mentored a few kids, and it comes with it’s ups, downs and unexpected consequences sometimes. Overall worth it. ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/108 "2011-12-22T14:51:34Z")
The top 10% may have paid 70% of all taxes collected in DOLLAR terms, but they did not pay their fair share as a percentage of FULL income. The top 10% could even pay 100% of all taxes collected and it still wouldn’t necessarily amount to “fair” taxation, given their access to loopholes and tax havens. The stuff you copy/pasted is flawed logic & fuzzy math, essentially propaganda. Those numbers are limited in scope, for example as I just touched on, they don’t account for the UNtaxed income of big business & elite wealthy. Your numbers don’t account for the CEO’s making $1 on the books while selling the rights to their stock options, often for MILLIONS in UNTAXABLE income! Your numbers don’t account for Google and their Ireland tax haven scam. Certainly Google isn’t alone as far as companies evading FULL taxation, GE is another biggie that comes to mind off the cuff. > **[The Tax Haven That's Saving Google Billions](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2010-10-21/the-tax-haven-thats-saving-google-billions)** > > The heart of Google's (GOOG) international operations is a silvery glass office building in central Dublin, a block from the city's Grand Canal. In 2009 the office, which houses roughly 2,000 Google employees, was credited with 88 percent of the... An article on Google and their tax scam. [http://www.npr.org/2011/12/10/143508437/just-what-do-the-rich-have-thats-taxable?sc=fb&cc=fp](http://www.npr.org/2011/12/10/143508437/just-what-do-the-rich-have-thats-taxable?sc=fb&cc=fp) An article talking about the stock option scam CEO types are using to avoid paying anywhere near full income tax. You didn’t think you’d get off that easy and be allowed to spout some numbers without getting something back in retort, did you? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3bc359/32.png) [@Jon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jon)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/109 "2011-12-22T15:02:13Z")
My wealth redistribution thing went off! ![http://www.blackenterprise.com/files/2011/04/Hand-Out.jpg](http://www.blackenterprise.com/files/2011/04/Hand-Out.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![livin4hockey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d2c977/32.png) [@livin4hockey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/livin4hockey)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/110 "2011-12-22T15:28:31Z")
This thread has gone so far off on the tangent of economics. But again, I am glad to see a non profit organization trying to help a good cause. I still say the money could be better spent elsewhere in education. The problems stem far below high school, that is for sure (not to say the the high schools are problem free either). ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/111 "2011-12-22T15:50:20Z")
I have no complaints with helping people I just believe the money could help a much larger percentage of people if it went towards getting a HS diploma or trade school after graduation. ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266/112 "2011-12-22T16:14:28Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > I have no complaints with helping people > > I just believe the money could help a much larger percentage of people if it went towards getting a HS diploma or trade school after graduation. x2 on trade school or a college degree with a fundamental purpose and some tangible social benefit. Or start at the core and begin to give young kids more hope and guidance. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-college-for-buffalo-city-schools/219266.md?page=5)