# friend wants to mod. 12V VR6
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285
**Category:** NYSpeed Automotive
**Created:** [July 31, 2006, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285 "2006-07-31T13:26:30Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@SoloIIscoob](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SoloIIscoob)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/1 "2006-07-31T13:26:30Z")
a friend of mine owns a 2000 VR6 jetta and has a magnaflow cat-back on it and wants some more power. i suggested adding a GIAC/AWE chip/intake and mild street cam…
…he doesnt want to supercharge/turbo it due to cost, he just wants 230-240whp and im pretty sure chip/intake/exhaust/cam would do it…
who makes cams for 12V? i am looking and cant find anything…help me please
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### Author:  [@Daddie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Daddie)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/2 "2006-07-31T13:33:21Z")
> [@SoloIIscoob](#):
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> a friend of mine owns a 2000 VR6 jetta and has a magnaflow cat-back on it and wants some more power. i suggested adding a GIAC/AWE chip/intake and mild street cam…
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> …he doesnt want to supercharge/turbo it due to cost, he just wants 230-240whp and im pretty sure chip/intake/exhaust/cam would do it…
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> who makes cams for 12V? i am looking and cant find anything…help me please
teee hee hee, how you overestimate…
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### Author:  [@SoloIIscoob](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SoloIIscoob)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/3 "2006-07-31T13:45:20Z")
really?
VR6s are that weak? idk much about them, thats why im asking
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### Author:  [@Daddie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Daddie)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/4 "2006-07-31T13:46:24Z")
I think they may net 170 ish at the wheel stock.
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### Author:  [@95\_Jetta](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/95_Jetta)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/5 "2006-07-31T13:50:12Z")
I think at the crank is about 175 on the 12v on the 24v i beleive is around 220 at the crank? Might be a little off tho. Going to need a bit more work to hit 240whp
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### Author:  [@Jam](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jam)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/6 "2006-07-31T13:51:31Z")
more like 150 to the wheel stock, 174 hp/tq to the crank.
there are people who have a vr bored to a 3.0, every bolt on imaginable, and still arent past the 200 whp mark.
good luck. FI is the only way. intake/exaust/camS/chip is a good start though… usually you cant really mod these cars because your spending all of your money fixing them when they break lol.
t0000000000ning
[http://autotech.com/](http://autotech.com/)
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### Author:  [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/7 "2006-07-31T13:55:34Z")
> [@SoloIIscoob](#):
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> a friend of mine owns a 2000 VR6 jetta and has a magnaflow cat-back on it and wants some more power. i suggested adding a GIAC/AWE chip/intake and mild street cam…
>
> …he doesnt want to supercharge/turbo it due to cost, he just wants 230-240whp and im pretty sure chip/intake/exhaust/cam would do it…
>
> who makes cams for 12V? i am looking and cant find anything…help me please
200 WHP is about the limit with bolt-on’s. The VR6 is a stout motor so it boosts well, but the head does not flow well so there is not a lot of NA potential. For cams: Shrick, Cat, DSR, TT etc etc etc.
[Click me. Cam list about 2/3 down.](http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=736260)
MKIV VR6’s have a dual geometry intake manifold and a higher compression head gasket so they’re making a bit more than the MKIII’s. MKIV’s usually make about 160WHP. Intake/Exhaust oughta be good for about 15 more.
Exhausts: [http://www.eurotuner.com/techarticles/0412et\_exhaust\_comparison/](http://www.eurotuner.com/techarticles/0412et_exhaust_comparison/)
Intakes:
[http://www.eurotuner.com/techarticles/0411et\_intake\_comparison/](http://www.eurotuner.com/techarticles/0411et_intake_comparison/)
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### Author:  [@Jagermeister](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jagermeister)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/8 "2006-07-31T14:00:04Z")
I know KIT is a bad word on NYSPEED, but if he wants a no hassle way to achieve 240whp, then here is the answer. [http://www.kineticmotorsport.com/catalog/kinetic-motorsport-stage1-mkiv-turbo-p-1093.html](http://www.kineticmotorsport.com/catalog/kinetic-motorsport-stage1-mkiv-turbo-p-1093.html)
It is upgradeable for more, but is factory reliable and virtually bolt on for $2950. The VR6 is not cheap to modify.
As JAM said… intake, cams, exhaust, and chip may net about 180whp.
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### Author:  [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/9 "2006-07-31T14:05:20Z")
> [@Jagermeister](#):
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> I know KIT is a bad word on NYSPEED, but if he wants a no hassle way to achieve 240whp, then here is the answer. [http://www.kineticmotorsport.com/catalog/kinetic-motorsport-stage1-mkiv-turbo-p-1093.html](http://www.kineticmotorsport.com/catalog/kinetic-motorsport-stage1-mkiv-turbo-p-1093.html)
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> It is upgradeable for more, but is factory reliable and virtually bolt on for $2950. The VR6 is not cheap to modify.
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> As JAM said… intake, cams, exhaust, and chip may net about 180whp.
Wow, that’s even cheaper than VF Engineering’s stage 1 supercharger kit, which yields about the same gains. It’s actually about $800 cheaper. :jawdrop: (I know, staged modding is a ricer thought around here, but it’s a nice kit.)
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### Author:  [@Minglor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Minglor)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/10 "2006-07-31T14:24:22Z")
> [@Jagermeister](#):
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> I know KIT is a bad word on NYSPEED, but if he wants a no hassle way to achieve 240whp, then here is the answer. [http://www.kineticmotorsport.com/catalog/kinetic-motorsport-stage1-mkiv-turbo-p-1093.html](http://www.kineticmotorsport.com/catalog/kinetic-motorsport-stage1-mkiv-turbo-p-1093.html)
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> It is upgradeable for more, but is factory reliable and virtually bolt on for $2950. The VR6 is not cheap to modify.
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> As JAM said… intake, cams, exhaust, and chip may net about 180whp.
Thats a very nice looking kit.
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### Author:  [@Shrives](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shrives)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/11 "2006-07-31T15:19:32Z")
yea i put down 164whp in an obd2 vr6, with giac chip, catback exhaust/borla muffler, intake.
cams and a few other goodies might get you up to 180-190, but deff not 240whp
the route i would go— v1 blower, catback, c2 fuel setup with chip. put down 230 maybe 240ish wheel and call it a day.
also the kit jaeger posted is pimp too :headbang:
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### Author:  [@SoloIIscoob](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SoloIIscoob)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/12 "2006-07-31T15:46:27Z")
yea thats not bad for a “turbo”“kit” in terms of price. but it is a lot less than the S/C kits i was looking at for him…boo poor intake designs.
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### Author:  [@Jon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jon)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/13 "2006-07-31T15:55:16Z")
> [@94wvwglxvr6](#):
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> usually you cant really mod these cars because your spending all of your money fixing them when they break lol.
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> [http://autotech.com/](http://autotech.com/)
Are they really that bad? I just picked up a 97’ VR6 as my daily driver and im hoping that its somewhat reliable.(identical to the one you’re selling).
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### Author:  [@95\_Jetta](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/95_Jetta)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/14 "2006-07-31T16:37:19Z")
Stupid stuff usually breaks, easy fix oil leaks, window regulators, sometimes hvac controls, dash lights. All pretty easy fixes. Watch out for wheelbearings as well the front is a PITA
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### Author:  [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/15 "2006-07-31T16:49:52Z")
step 1. sell the mk4. they are heavy and underpowered.
step 2. if you must have a vw get a 92 or older. in my case i would get an 84 or older. my 1980 weighs in at 1900lbs and i put a 16v in it with some cams and have 150ish and it scoots…
if you were smart for the money you would buy a honda…
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### Author:  [@MaximaSE98](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MaximaSE98)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/16 "2006-07-31T19:00:35Z")
wow this thread makes me feel good about my bone stock 178 WHP 3.0
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### Author:  [@Bacon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bacon)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/17 "2006-07-31T20:20:13Z")
Or my 200 WHP 3.0. 🙂
Granted I would think it would next to impossible to get 240 out of that motor N/A. At least not without dumping tons, and tons of money at it. Even then that would be iffy.
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### Author:  [@Jon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jon)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/18 "2006-07-31T20:39:42Z")
Tell him not to buy a header,research tells me that the stock one is designed quite well and there is literally no gain.
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### Author:  [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/19 "2006-07-31T21:01:05Z")
> [@Jon](#):
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> Tell him not to buy a header,research tells me that the stock one is designed quite well and there is literally no gain.
:word: Gasket match the stock exhaust manifolds. It’s been dyno’d at a 9 whp gain. Other than the labor it’s free too.
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### Author:  [@Jam](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jam)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2006, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/friend-wants-to-mod-12v-vr6/15285/20 "2006-07-31T23:38:39Z")
> [@FuzzyFish](#):
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> Or my 200 WHP 3.0. 🙂
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> Granted I would think it would next to impossible to get 240 out of that motor N/A. At least not without dumping tons, and tons of money at it. Even then that would never happen.
fixed mr fuzzz