# FWD "tracion bars" control arm deflection arms
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033
**Category:** Builds
**Created:** [February 24, 2007, 1:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033 "2007-02-24T01:54:56Z")
**Posts on this page:** 16
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### Author:  [@Studderin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Studderin)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2007, 1:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033/1 "2007-02-24T01:54:56Z")
I know this is more common and there is after market bolt on kits for other car. But the fwd GM grocery getters aren’t one.
DIY I did this last winter on my gtp,I just got my camera. lol And they worked great all this year. Better then I hoped, solving all the issues I wanted. (but no wheels up:cry:)
I was finding more power. And it was really showing up, how the car wasn’t set for it under heavy acceleration. I took some weight out of the car, and was running better tires also. The normal bad torque steer, but heavy front to back weight transverse I was getting on nittos and ETstreets. I was feeling unsafe controlling it, under 70-90. Slight turns, bumps, different pavement preps. Felt like you were trying to steer a crashing plane. The contraol arms deflect foreword, just from suspension design dealing with heavy loads. And the large contraol arms have poor large soft rubber bushings. With pockets, for even more deflection (softer ride for gradma). On the dyno I could really notice the control arm movement, and the whole wheel moving forward in the wheel well a few inches. And the CV boots would pull off the tripod. Huge PITA mess, and rebuilding them. The clamps were fine, its that the front rises so much. And the control arm movement would be more then the boots bellows could cover spinning in a angle. I didn’t want to make different control arms with solid rod ends. Or lower the car with stiffer suspension, that would help. I wanted to keep the soft stock ride:baby: I already changed my stock lower oil filled motor/trans mounts, witch helped. (DIY 3m window weld filled) polly uppers. I figured out what I needed and order parts form [Speedwaymotors.com](http://Speedwaymotors.com) Witch is a great store I didnt know about.
Precision rod ends (w/ Teflon Kevlar race)
1/2 threads 1/2 hole 2 LH 2 HR Like 8.95 each
[http://www.speedwaymotors.com/xq/aspx/parent\_id.105/dept\_id.107/qx/DisplayGroup.htm](http://www.speedwaymotors.com/xq/aspx/parent_id.105/dept_id.107/qx/DisplayGroup.htm)
Sweded Steel raduis rods ( I thought about going Alum for weight but these are thin walled and very light. the Alum looks soild porbally same weight, and threads will be alot weaker)
2 12inch long, comes with tapped ends one side right on left. There was somthing like $10 each
[http://www.speedwaymotors.com/xq/aspx/parent\_id.105/dept\_id.108/qx/DisplayGroup.htm](http://www.speedwaymotors.com/xq/aspx/parent_id.105/dept_id.108/qx/DisplayGroup.htm)
orderd a set of 1/2 alum conspacers came with 8. I forgot there price?
I got the jam nuts locally at John Deer tractor for 40 cents each. Over the $3.99 each online
Next door to Newera is Metal Surplus. Got some scape stock to make the brackets. ~$10?
1080 CRS, and 6061 because I went to the 6061 alum Wbody subframe the 00+ impalla/monteSS 04+GP have. To save weight over the 97-03 gp steel one. BrentStrong home town junkyard hookup, $40 I think? Shit barly fit in the back of neonGLH but it did.
made some cardboard templates
cut everything by hand. no mill in my garage:(
Got all the piece prepped. fit great on car mock up. rear mount was as far back a possibly. Bolt was gonna be close to fitting between the firewall.
Came close to trying to push alum wire in my mig. :smash2: Glad I didn’ t . Wanted it nice. So I had a friend Tig it
came out so nice.
subframe was pre heated, and I bushed it down with a stainless brush.
Used, so had some oil, and crap in the corners. And open spots form GM and the mounts, So it got a little dirty, I should have tried to get acid in there to clean it out better.
I also have all the 4 corner mounts fully welded. A gp drag car broke them and ran over the subframe motor/trans at the 60’. And there a few recalls on the early 99-00s that often crack. This one is etched june? 01 :tup:
Test fit it on and off the car about 4-5 times with the rack, everything on. For cleanrces.
Control arm brackets. Hand drill, cutoff wheel, fit great. Lots of weld area. I used my mig
Didn’t really loose any ground clearance. Wheels clear at full lock. Made a quick disconnect pin, to just reach under and unhook them. Once the cars on jackstands or a 2post you can’t get them out. It dose make some pump steer in the suspension, you’d think on paper. But I haven’t noticed feeling any driving all summer, with them on or off. Hyway dips I think sense both wheels should be changing toe the same amount/time it doesn’t make any and noticeable steering changing in such a slow, boaty car as is. Car pulls alot straiter and smother. No CV boot axle problems. Good stocks axles, I got a take off 25mile set off a 05 gt gp. I hammered on them with some 26x10.5 ETdrags getting low 1.7s too. Put a few thousand street miles, only had to put some preload form zero. To get rid of a slight vibration while turning and more then normal acceleration form under 5mph.
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### Author:  [@brent\_strong](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brent_strong)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2007, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033/2 "2007-02-24T07:25:30Z")
Very nice! I rode in the car after these were installed and it was definitely a noticeable difference.
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### Author:  [@Estorvito](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Estorvito)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2007, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033/3 "2007-02-24T08:28:14Z")
My buddie wants to make one for his suzuki swift. I’ll show him this thread so he can get an idea on how to make one.
Nice writeup Sir.:headbang: :tspry: :tspry:
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### Author:  [@neonglh](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neonglh)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2007, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033/4 "2007-02-24T08:37:31Z")
I saw them being made, and rode in the car with them. Nice work john!
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### Author:  [@Anonymity](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Anonymity)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2007, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033/5 "2007-02-24T12:18:20Z")
looks great. just watch your welds. stress cracks.
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### Author:  [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)
#### Post date: [February 25, 2007, 5:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033/6 "2007-02-25T05:22:36Z")
the saab could use a set if these, along with a brace for the steering rack.
:tup:
nice write up
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### Author:  [@neonglh](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neonglh)
#### Post date: [February 25, 2007, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033/7 "2007-02-25T12:21:39Z")
[quote=“Anonymity,post:5,topic:25033"”]
looks great. just watch your welds. stress cracks.
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Those welds should be stronger then the rest of the system!
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### Author:  [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)
#### Post date: [February 25, 2007, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033/8 "2007-02-25T13:42:38Z")
That’s hot :tup: Great job.
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### Author:  [@nytrus1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nytrus1)
#### Post date: [February 25, 2007, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033/9 "2007-02-25T22:32:32Z")
:tup: nice work john!
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### Author:  [@SoloIIscoob](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SoloIIscoob)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2007, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033/10 "2007-02-26T23:37:08Z")
kewl
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### Author:  [@Anonymity](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Anonymity)
#### Post date: [February 27, 2007, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033/11 "2007-02-27T04:26:20Z")
[quote=“neonglh,post:7,topic:25033"”]
Those welds should be stronger then the rest of the system!
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that is why i would watch them.
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### Author:  [@BLKUUS6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BLKUUS6)
#### Post date: [February 27, 2007, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033/12 "2007-02-27T10:24:57Z")
you think the welds on the steel bracket will rip off the arms?
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### Author:  [@Anonymity](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Anonymity)
#### Post date: [February 27, 2007, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033/13 "2007-02-27T11:02:24Z")
no the sub frame, and i dont think the welds will brake the material around the weld.
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### Author:  [@somedude](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/somedude)
#### Post date: [February 27, 2007, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033/14 "2007-02-27T11:10:44Z")
[quote=“Anonymity,post:13,topic:25033"”]
no the sub frame, and i dont think the welds will brake the material around the weld.
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he is just saying to keep a eye on it.
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### Author:  [@neonglh](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neonglh)
#### Post date: [February 27, 2007, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033/15 "2007-02-27T12:36:16Z")
Yeah, once you get a car modified at all, there are tons of things you have to keep an eye on. I made it a chore to look over the car for a few minutes after beating on it at all. Catching a bolt backing out, or something out of the ordinary early on can save alot of headache, and $$.
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### Author:  [@Studderin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Studderin)
#### Post date: [February 27, 2007, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fwd-tracion-bars-control-arm-deflection-arms/25033/16 "2007-02-27T14:10:47Z")
[quote=“Anonymity,post:13,topic:25033"”]
no the sub frame, and i dont think the welds will brake the material around the weld.
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ya, that rear mount is a soild extrusion. Its gona be super ridged, and crack were its welded to the frame tubing. I had that all rewelded. But I did drill, about 2lbs worth of holes in the cradel:roll2: