# Galant VR4, DSM or Import? **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [March 21, 2008, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137 "2008-03-21T07:26:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![OsoiNA6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/osoina6/32/6301_2.png) [@OsoiNA6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OsoiNA6)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/1 "2008-03-21T07:26:12Z")
I get it thanks… What about the limited edition Galant VR4? This car shares the Talon/Eclipse AWD drivetrain as well as the 4G63. Most DSM clubs include it as part of the lineup… Is that because it shares so much hardware or was it also built in Illinois? I thought the '91 and '92 Galant VR4s were built in Japan and shipped over here in limited quantities… Or were they built here, hence the association with DSM? ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/2 "2008-03-21T07:35:34Z")
> [@OsoiNA6](#): > > I get it thanks… > > What about the limited edition Galant VR4? This car shares the Talon/Eclipse AWD drivetrain as well as the 4G63. > > Most DSM clubs include it as part of the lineup… Is that because it shares so much hardware or was it also built in Illinois? > > I thought the '91 and '92 Galant VR4s were built in Japan and shipped over here in limited quantities… Or were they built here, hence the association with DSM? pretty sure the gvr4 is a dsm ---
**Author:** ![OsoiNA6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/osoina6/32/6301_2.png) [@OsoiNA6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OsoiNA6)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 7:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/3 "2008-03-21T07:38:16Z")
Understand. But if they were built in Japan, why are Galants considered DSM when the 3000GT/Stealth are not? ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/4 "2008-03-21T08:05:52Z")
> [@OsoiNA6](#): > > Understand. > > But if they were built in Japan, why are Galants considered DSM when the 3000GT/Stealth are not? DSM = Eclipse/Talon/Laser Galants are made in US and Japan but are not a DSM. That plant also produced cars like the Mirage/Summit, Galant, Avenger/Sebring, and Dodge Stratus but they were not DSMs either. Similiar to how Galants were made at the plant in Japan. They are not considered a 3/S. ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/5 "2008-03-21T08:08:36Z")
Oh ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/6 "2008-03-21T08:14:09Z")
> [@bennyfizzle](#): > > Oh I have said a Galant VR-4 is a DSM too out of habit. ---
**Author:** ![OsoiNA6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/osoina6/32/6301_2.png) [@OsoiNA6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OsoiNA6)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/7 "2008-03-21T10:50:56Z")
Yeah, I know DSM NYC treats them as DSMs, they have them on the DSM board and count the GVR4 times on their top drag times, etc. I sold my GVR4 through the NYC DSMtrader too back in the day… ---
**Author:** ![Allstar\_Graphics](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/allstar_graphics/32/6287_2.png) [@Allstar\_Graphics](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Allstar_Graphics)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/8 "2008-03-21T14:03:50Z")
DSM- Diamond Star Motors. 89-99 6 and 7 bolt 4g63t motors. There were only a handful of dsmers around this area back in the day, i have no idea what the dsm bandwagon picked up 😉 On topic- I know what its like…hey we need (X) much done, In (X) amount of time (usually yesterday), we want godly quality and efficiency, but we only want to pay shit. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/9 "2008-03-21T14:12:04Z")
> [@Allstar Graphics](#): > > DSM- Diamond Star Motors. 89-99 6 and 7 bolt 4g63t motors. That is not true. That would make the Galant VR-4 (4G63T) a DSM and it is not. ---
**Author:** ![Allstar\_Graphics](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/allstar_graphics/32/6287_2.png) [@Allstar\_Graphics](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Allstar_Graphics)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/10 "2008-03-21T14:16:57Z")
the galant has DSM tags under the hood ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/11 "2008-03-21T14:21:34Z")
> [@Allstar Graphics](#): > > the galant has DSM tags under the hood I forgot about that. Perhaps I am wrong? From all of the things I have read, DSM is those cars listed… Is this the only possible exception to the rule? ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/12 "2008-03-21T14:24:59Z")
I knew it was a DSM ---
**Author:** ![Vandal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/858c86/32.png) [@Vandal](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vandal)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/13 "2008-03-21T14:26:27Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > Word the young grasshoppa. Girls who are into cars take your mod money. 🙂 > > Why do Import owners know more about Domestics than Domestic owners knowing about Imports? > > Technically, it is NOT an import as it was assembled in the US unless my thinking is wrong. Is it JDM y0? Well, I am not sure who contributed what from each company. But, then again, is Hyundai who has plants in the US domestic? > > As far as the 3/S is concerned, Mitsu/Dodge got their name on it but Dodge didn’t do a damn thing. Maybe someone can chime in who knows who contributed what for the DSM but I think its neither domestic/import as it was built in US and has ties to foreign. Most domestic owners that I have encountered are a partial and biased bunch. Whether society created that arrogance (joining the bandwagon) or maybe it’s because most of the import “enthusiasts” out there are kids that give the rest a bad name, who knows. Whereas most serious import owners I know (remember, I’m not even counting the opinions of F & F loving fuckwads) are open-minded and give credit where credit is due. A good example of idiots would be the MySpace import forum. If you can tolerate all the dumbass misinformation and shit talking on there, then you are a stronger person than me. As for the 3/s, it’s my understanding that all the parts were shipped over from Japan and then assembled in the DSM plant. Dodge definitely didn’t have anything to do with it, but bore their name on the car because of the Chrys/Mitsu partnership. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/14 "2008-03-21T14:29:59Z")
I am confused to hell. 3/S is definately not a DSM. Night/Day differences and developed across the other side of the world. What defines a DSM? It’s a join venture with two companies and just because the car is built at the same place doesn’t mean it’s a DSM. So exactly what defines a DSM? We know 100% it’s Eclipse/Laser/Talon. But waht about the others? It can’t be 4G63/T as some have said because many share that block. ---
**Author:** ![Allstar\_Graphics](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/allstar_graphics/32/6287_2.png) [@Allstar\_Graphics](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Allstar_Graphics)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/15 "2008-03-21T14:33:48Z")
A joint effort by Mitsubishi (three diamonds) and the Chrysler Corporation (penta-star) to build some of the most incredible automobiles in the world. The vehicles were produced with the names Eagle Talon, Mitsubishi Eclipse, and Plymouth Laser. DSM cars are assembled in Normal, Illinois. The '94-and-up Mitsubishi Galant is also assembled at the DSM plant in IL; previous Galant’s were assembled in Japan. The Eclipse and Galant (since '89) share the same platform. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/16 "2008-03-21T14:34:50Z")
> [@bennyfizzle](#): > > I knew it was a DSM Careful champ, I think I am technically right. In 1995, DSM was done and Mitsubishi Motors Manufacturing America (MMMA) took over. They just kept the name for keepsake. I guess this means 2G DSM aren’t really DSMS? But, the DSM guys will say a 2G is a DSM because it shares the similiar platform unlike the Sebring/Avenger. I’ll give them that given the cars were made at the same plant on a similiar platform. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/17 "2008-03-21T14:35:48Z")
> [@Allstar Graphics](#): > > A joint effort by Mitsubishi (three diamonds) and the Chrysler Corporation (penta-star) to build some of the most incredible automobiles in the world. The vehicles were produced with the names Eagle Talon, Mitsubishi Eclipse, and Plymouth Laser. DSM cars are assembled in Normal, Illinois. The '94-and-up Mitsubishi Galant is also assembled at the DSM plant in IL; previous Galant’s were assembled in Japan. The Eclipse and Galant (since '89) share the same platform. But in 1995, DSM was no longer in existance and Galant VR-4 was produced after that… Also, from what I have read, they were not built in the US… So, regardless of tag, I’ll say they are not but I guess it’s debatable. ---
**Author:** ![Vandal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/858c86/32.png) [@Vandal](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vandal)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/18 "2008-03-21T14:40:02Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > I am confused to hell. 3/S is definately not a DSM. Night/Day differences and developed across the other side of the world. > > What defines a DSM? It’s a join venture with two companies and just because the car is built at the same place doesn’t mean it’s a DSM. > > So exactly what defines a DSM? We know 100% it’s Eclipse/Laser/Talon. But waht about the others? It can’t be 4G63/T as some have said because many share that block. I personally consider a DSM as a car that actually HAS the DSM plate on it. Even E/T made after 95 are technically NOT DSMs, but are accepted as such since they continued the platform (and to not leave them out of the DSM Community). This is why the Galant VR4 and 3/S is put into the same family as DSMs. That being said, the only reason one could consider a 3/S as a DSM is because the 3000gt and eclipse has the same predescesor (sp?)-The Starion. Both cars were designed from that platform. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/19 "2008-03-21T14:44:41Z")
> [@Vandal](#): > > I personally consider a DSM as a car that actually HAS the DSM plate on it. I’ll agree with that but the fact that the Galant VR-4 was built in Japan is what has me thinking twice about it. > [@Vandal](#): > > Even E/T made after 95 are technically NOT DSMs, but are accepted as such since they continued the platform (and to not leave them out of the DSM Community). True, technically they are not but for reasons you stated, they are considered that by fanbase. > [@Vandal](#): > > This is why the Galant VR4 and 3/S is put into the same family as DSMs. That being said, the only reason one could consider a 3/S as a DSM is because the 3000gt and eclipse has the same predescesor (sp?)-The Starion. Both cars were designed from that platform. The 3/S and the DSM share absolutely nothing in common. They are not a DSM nor in the family. They are the flagship of Mitsubishi at the time. That’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137/20 "2008-03-21T14:46:16Z")
> [@Vandal](#): > > that all the parts were shipped over from Japan and then assembled in the DSM plant. Dodge definitely didn’t have anything to do with it, but bore their name on the car because of the Chrys/Mitsu partnership. That is incorrect. They came over prebuilt. Dodge did have nothing to do with it. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/galant-vr4-dsm-or-import/236137.md?page=2)