# GermanPSI vs. SSmokeInEveryoneInDaWorld **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [November 23, 2008, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355 "2008-11-23T12:03:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![psi2high](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/psi2high/32/6320_2.png) [@psi2high](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/psi2high)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/381 "2008-11-25T11:39:40Z")
> [@SSmokinn SS](#): > > yah…I didnt go with the MS4 because its so big of a cam that sometimes you hafto fly cut your pistons to make it safe…and I dont want to get into that…its still a big cam tho… > > 237/242 .603/.609" 112LSA Err no fly cutting necessary to run an ms4. ---
**Author:** ![SSmokinn\_SS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@SSmokinn\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SSmokinn_SS)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/382 "2008-11-25T11:41:07Z")
> [@psi2high](#): > > Err no fly cutting necessary to run an ms4. every car is different…their is a shit load of people on LS1tech that had to fly cut their pistons with a MS4…and theirs a shit load that didnt. its a hit or miss. ---
**Author:** ![plaf713](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@plaf713](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/plaf713)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/383 "2008-11-25T11:44:36Z")
you dont need a big cam to run fast, you also dont need a big cam to make big power, i think you miss the point, lots of people jump on the bandwagon and try to stuff the biggest cam in as possible and they are disappointed with the outcomes, i would just go with a tr224 with some ported heads if it were me ---
**Author:** ![SSmokinn\_SS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@SSmokinn\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SSmokinn_SS)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/384 "2008-11-25T11:45:51Z")
> [@plaf713](#): > > you dont need a big cam to run fast, you also dont need a big cam to make big power, i think you miss the point, lots of people jump on the bandwagon and try to stuff the biggest cam in as possible and they are disappointed with the outcomes, i would just go with a tr224 with some ported heads if it were me I understand this. But I have done the research and the MS3 is what fits my needs…Im not a dig racer like you…and Im also a M6 so I can more control over my powerband. ---
**Author:** ![psi2high](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/psi2high/32/6320_2.png) [@psi2high](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/psi2high)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/385 "2008-11-25T11:46:30Z")
The motors all have the same bore/stroke so why would some people need to fly cut pistons if they are on stock heads? :confused ---
**Author:** ![SSmokinn\_SS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@SSmokinn\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SSmokinn_SS)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/386 "2008-11-25T11:47:10Z")
> [@psi2high](#): > > The motors all have the same bore/stroke so why would some people need to fly cut pistons if they are on stock heads? :confused you can get MS4’s in different LSA’s… edit: im reading that you can get away with it on stock heads, but most aftermarket heads you need to fly cut the pistons… ---
**Author:** ![psi2high](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/psi2high/32/6320_2.png) [@psi2high](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/psi2high)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/387 "2008-11-25T11:47:43Z")
> [@SSmokinn SS](#): > > I understand this. But I have done the research and the MS3 is what fits my needs…Im not a dig racer like you…and Im also a M6 so I can more control over my powerband. Yea if you are going from a moving start. The auto will launch consistant almost every time where the manual won’t unless there is some sort of launch control ---
**Author:** ![psi2high](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/psi2high/32/6320_2.png) [@psi2high](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/psi2high)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/388 "2008-11-25T11:48:12Z")
> [@SSmokinn SS](#): > > you can get MS4’s in different LSA’s… So stick with the one that works with stock engines ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/389 "2008-11-25T11:50:45Z")
i think thats what he’s doing. no? ---
**Author:** ![psi2high](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/psi2high/32/6320_2.png) [@psi2high](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/psi2high)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/390 "2008-11-25T11:51:11Z")
He went with a different cam stating the one wouldn’t work ---
**Author:** ![plaf713](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@plaf713](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/plaf713)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/391 "2008-11-25T11:51:58Z")
the only need to flycut is when you do aftermarket heads that have bigger valves, because the valves slap against the piston because the cam is literally to big for the engine ---
**Author:** ![SSmokinn\_SS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@SSmokinn\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SSmokinn_SS)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/392 "2008-11-25T11:52:13Z")
> [@psi2high](#): > > He went with a different cam stating the one wouldn’t work no…go back to what I said a few post’s up…I was misinformed. ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/393 "2008-11-25T11:52:34Z")
> [@psi2high](#): > > He went with a different cam stating the one wouldn’t work ooohh ok. z28lt1rocket wants to race you from a dig drew :nod ---
**Author:** ![psi2high](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/psi2high/32/6320_2.png) [@psi2high](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/psi2high)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/394 "2008-11-25T11:52:40Z")
Fair enough ---
**Author:** ![SSmokinn\_SS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@SSmokinn\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SSmokinn_SS)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/395 "2008-11-25T11:53:12Z")
> [@30r\_logik](#): > > ooohh ok. > > z28lt1rocket wants to race you from a dig drew :nod ok! we can have a smoke show race! ---
**Author:** ![SSmokinn\_SS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@SSmokinn\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SSmokinn_SS)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/396 "2008-11-25T11:53:54Z")
> [@psi2high](#): > > Fair enough I was dead set on the MS4…but I think the MS3 suites me better. Plus I got a brand new MS3 from a upstate Shop owner and hes hooking me up on the cam install and dyno tune…they both have the same power bands. 2400-6800 ---
**Author:** ![plaf713](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@plaf713](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/plaf713)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/397 "2008-11-25T11:54:09Z")
is the pocketrocketlt1 an automatic or 6speed? ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/398 "2008-11-25T11:54:29Z")
> [@SSmokinn SS](#): > > ok! we can have a smoke show race! he ran a 13.2 at 102… on street tires maybe? or was it DR’s lol. his trap kinda sucks. ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/399 "2008-11-25T11:55:07Z")
> [@plaf713](#): > > is the pocketrocketlt1 an automatic or 6speed? ROFL! its a 6mt viper tranny. ---
**Author:** ![plaf713](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@plaf713](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/plaf713)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355/400 "2008-11-25T11:55:22Z")
> [@30r\_logik](#): > > he ran a 13.2 at 102… on street tires maybe? or was it DR’s lol. his trap kinda sucks. i ran 13.7 @ 101 with an exhaust on my old lt1, so that does sound way off [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355.md?page=19) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/germanpsi-vs-ssmokeineveryoneindaworld/240355.md?page=21)