# Get ready for red light cameras in Buffalo **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [June 18, 2008, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219 "2008-06-18T13:16:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Jon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3bc359/32.png) [@Jon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jon)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/41 "2008-06-18T19:51:08Z")
License plate frame with IR LEDs around the edge of it? Your plate would show up as a giant blur to the camera + invisible to the naked eye. ---
**Author:** ![reliant\_turbo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/reliant_turbo/32/7189_2.png) [@reliant\_turbo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/reliant_turbo)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/42 "2008-06-18T19:56:50Z")
a good defense against this bs is to call the mayor and all the elected politicians involved and tell them that you wont vote for them if they push for this. for every single voter that calls and says they wont vote for them if they (fill in the blank) = multiple voters that wont vote for them but dont say anything and they know this. but you have to get alot of folks and friends to call. or just rig up a plate hider. 🙂 Brian ---
**Author:** ![kingsario](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kingsario/32/7572_2.png) [@kingsario](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kingsario)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/43 "2008-06-18T19:58:17Z")
shit! ---
**Author:** ![TrapMuzik82](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trapmuzik82/32/7488_2.png) [@TrapMuzik82](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrapMuzik82)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/44 "2008-06-18T20:57:48Z")
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**Author:** ![Bacon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bacon/32/7230_2.png) [@Bacon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bacon)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/45 "2008-06-19T06:48:30Z")
> [@Jon](#): > > License plate frame with IR LEDs around the edge of it? > > Your plate would show up as a giant blur to the camera + invisible to the naked eye. About the only thing I can think of that would work, and not be 100% obvious when viewed normally. ---
**Author:** ![Inn-Tune](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/inn-tune/32/7588_2.png) [@Inn-Tune](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Inn-Tune)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/46 "2008-06-19T07:15:20Z")
I just noticed this thread now, but a week ago I saw what I thought was a red light camera on Elmwood right on the south side of the overpass over the 198. If I drive by there again I’ll take a closer look. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/47 "2008-06-19T07:17:41Z")
Also, guys. Expect a TON of front plate tickets now, too. > [@Inn-Tune](#): > > I just noticed this thread now, but a week ago I saw what I thought was a red light camera on Elmwood right on the south side of the overpass over the 198. If I drive by there again I’ll take a closer look. those are just security cameras. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/48 "2008-06-19T07:20:31Z")
> [@Inn-Tune](#): > > I just noticed this thread now, but a week ago I saw what I thought was a red light camera on Elmwood right on the south side of the overpass over the 198. If I drive by there again I’ll take a closer look. It would be in direct violation of state law to be using it for red light tickets right now. The only place it’s currently allowed is NYC. And yeah, Newman’s right about the front plate tickets. Buffalo will start cracking down big time on front plates. Between this and their new ALPR (automatic license plate readers) they’re going to want plates on properly. ---
**Author:** ![walter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/walter/32/7202_2.png) [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/49 "2008-06-19T07:44:52Z")
> [@MKE](#): > > Maybe fighting them would be the best way to keep them out/get rid of them. > > They spend all this money and budget the extra revenue, but if word gets out (ie news(paper) article or something) how easy it is to get it thrown out, the extra money is not there and they are f’ed. > > I think the best way to try and change their mind, is to instead of emailing them articles of how ineffective the cameras are at making the roads safer, email them all the sites and articles of how easy it is to get out of them. You can’t fight them :picard: ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/50 "2008-06-19T07:49:33Z")
> [@Avatar](#): > > LOL WUT? > > I think they already have license plate covers that hide your plate at certain angles. Yep. The laptop screens you can put on your plates and work great. Friend uses them in Canada. > [@Jon](#): > > License plate frame with IR LEDs around the edge of it? > > Your plate would show up as a giant blur to the camera + invisible to the naked eye. Does this actually work? How would an IR signal show up on a non IR camera? > [@JayS](#): > > It would be in direct violation of state law to be using it for red light tickets right now. The only place it’s currently allowed is NYC. > > And yeah, Newman’s right about the front plate tickets. Buffalo will start cracking down big time on front plates. Between this and their new ALPR (automatic license plate readers) they’re going to want plates on properly. Is it me or are cops just getting lazier and lazier? Automatic license plate readers… Red light camera… Pretty soon they are going to have automatic speed traps. ---
**Author:** ![walter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/walter/32/7202_2.png) [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/51 "2008-06-19T07:56:47Z")
> [@boxxa](#): > > Is it me or are cops just getting lazier and lazier? Automatic license plate readers… Red light camera… Pretty soon they are going to have automatic speed traps. It doesn’t have to do with lazier, it has to do with more effective. There are plenty of benefits from automatic license plate reads and other technologies designed to make life “easier” for officers. Quite frankly, I pay my registration and when I break the law by running red-lights or not having proper tags, then I know I deserve a ticket, I’m not some flaming douche-hole that thinks I deserve some special dispensation because in my opinion, this section of the law shouldn’t apply to me. You don’t want tickets? Don’t do illegal things. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/52 "2008-06-19T07:56:52Z")
Look, I’m all for ALPR. It’s a great system that has proven itself in the field as a great tool for getting people with suspended licenses, expired registrations and expired inspections off the road. It does it entirely without impacting traffic flows or driver behavior, and leaves the ultimate decision up to a human. Red light cameras on the other hand have been proven to be nothing but revenue generators that actually increase crashes because of the way drivers overreact to red lights. They are entirely automated with nothing done at the time of the violation and no officer discretion. Like for example when the cop see you make a left just as a light turns red and does nothing because he knows it’s the only way to turn left at a busy intersection with no green arrow. The red light camera expects you to sit there even if it takes 5 cycles of the light to find a gap in traffic and make the left. And for those of you claiming it will be easy to fight you obviously don’t know how they work. Claiming you weren’t driving does nothing because it’s a fine based ticket with no points. It applies to the car, not the driver, just like a parking ticket would. Knowing this, explain how you’re going to fight something like this when it shows up in the mail: ![http://www.photocop.com/images/trafcam.jpg](http://www.photocop.com/images/trafcam.jpg) There’s the picture of your car, in the intersection with the light clearly red, and a clear shot of your plate. Good luck with that in court. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 8:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/53 "2008-06-19T08:03:38Z")
> [@walter](#): > > It doesn’t have to do with lazier, it has to do with more effective. There are plenty of benefits from automatic license plate reads and other technologies designed to make life “easier” for officers. Quite frankly, I pay my registration and when I break the law by running red-lights or not having proper tags, then I know I deserve a ticket, I’m not some flaming douche-hole that thinks I deserve some special dispensation because in my opinion, this section of the law shouldn’t apply to me. You don’t want tickets? Don’t do illegal things. I get what you are saying and I don’t mind paying tickets. I drove with an expired inspection because I never found time to get a new one and got tickets and paid. If I drive like an ass and get stopped, I don’t bitch. I have my state police connections so I get out of a lot but I just don’t my real question comes down to saftey. When they rely more and more on technology, there is less and less real patrols around the city. I worry that this technology might take away from the actual benefit of patrols they have. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 8:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/54 "2008-06-19T08:11:29Z")
^ Well, ALPR is mounted to a police cruiser, so for it to work the car has to be out patrolling. Good point about red light cameras though. And lets not forget, if some drunk is out there blowing red lights one after another a red light camera does nothing to make you safer since no one is stopping him. ---
**Author:** ![LAFENGAS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lafengas/32/7573_2.png) [@LAFENGAS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LAFENGAS)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 8:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/55 "2008-06-19T08:11:48Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > There’s the picture of your car, in the intersection with the light clearly red, and a clear shot of your plate. Good luck with that in court. ^HA you can even see the brake patches from somebody else who already tried slamming on their brakes through the middle of an intersection ---
**Author:** ![Anonymity](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/anonymity/32/7215_2.png) [@Anonymity](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Anonymity)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/56 "2008-06-19T08:21:49Z")
i bet you still cant get a buffalo bill or someone else on a pro team a ticket. ---
**Author:** ![Penfold](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/penfold/32/5007_2.png) [@Penfold](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Penfold)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/57 "2008-06-19T08:25:38Z")
I keep disliking buffalo and USA policies and laws more and more everyday it seems. We hardly ever take steps in the right direction. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/58 "2008-06-19T08:26:49Z")
> [@Penfold](#): > > I keep disliking buffalo and USA policies and laws more and more everyday it seems. > > We hardly ever take steps in the right direction. I heard Cuba is nice move there… ---
**Author:** ![walter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/walter/32/7202_2.png) [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/59 "2008-06-19T08:28:22Z")
> [@boxxa](#): > > I get what you are saying and I don’t mind paying tickets. I drove with an expired inspection because I never found time to get a new one and got tickets and paid. If I drive like an ass and get stopped, I don’t bitch. I have my state police connections so I get out of a lot but I just don’t my real question comes down to saftey. When they rely more and more on technology, there is less and less real patrols around the city. I worry that this technology might take away from the actual benefit of patrols they have. No one ever said RLCs were adding safety. You were arguing against increased safety and added ALPR, which doesn’t make sense. Your point of cops being lazier was relatively invalid. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219/60 "2008-06-19T08:30:20Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > ^ Well, ALPR is mounted to a police cruiser, so for it to work the car has to be out patrolling. > > Good point about red light cameras though. And lets not forget, if some drunk is out there blowing red lights one after another a red light camera does nothing to make you safer since no one is stopping him. Are Buffalo’s ALPR cars marked or are they unmarked? I was in Connecticut and Chicago for a while and the ones I saw there were on unmarked cars. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/get-ready-for-red-light-cameras-in-buffalo/50219.md?page=4)