# Glock owners, check this out **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [February 9, 2007, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937 "2007-02-09T10:17:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![imported\_Sleeper](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_sleeper/32/5939_2.png) [@imported\_Sleeper](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_Sleeper)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/21 "2007-02-10T09:53:45Z")
> [@Darkstar"](#): > > pics? ![[http://www.pittspeed.com/uploaded/kolars](http://www.pittspeed.com/uploaded/kolars) gun.jpg]([http://www.pittspeed.com/uploaded/kolars](http://www.pittspeed.com/uploaded/kolars) gun.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![1320](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1320/32/5949_2.png) [@1320](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1320)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/22 "2007-02-10T10:45:36Z")
> [@Darkstar"](#): > > pics? ---
**Author:** ![imported\_Sleeper](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_sleeper/32/5939_2.png) [@imported\_Sleeper](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_Sleeper)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/23 "2007-02-10T11:26:47Z")
Hollow point FTW! I still have some talons around somewhere from b4 the ban. ---
**Author:** ![Bravada\_442](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bravada_442/32/5982_2.png) [@Bravada\_442](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bravada_442)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/24 "2007-02-10T11:29:06Z")
> [@New car.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-car/27915/9): > > picture Prefer weaver or a frame stance? ---
**Author:** ![JackdUp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jackdup/32/6015_2.png) [@JackdUp](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JackdUp)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/25 "2007-02-10T11:29:52Z")
Ranger SXT are about the same as Black Talons. ---
**Author:** ![JackdUp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jackdup/32/6015_2.png) [@JackdUp](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JackdUp)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/26 "2007-02-10T11:31:39Z")
> [@Seneca's at it again.....](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/senecas-at-it-again/27909/22): > > Prefer weaver or a frame stance? Isosceles. Allows better weapon control. Although, most of the time it’s going to be a one hand close retention. ---
**Author:** ![imported\_Sleeper](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_sleeper/32/5939_2.png) [@imported\_Sleeper](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_Sleeper)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/27 "2007-02-10T11:34:12Z")
> [@5-26-07 4th anual memorial day party \*evangola state park\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-26-07-4th-anual-memorial-day-party-evangola-state-park/27916/6): > > Ranger SXT are about the same as Black Talons. Never tried em,what about the grain? ---
**Author:** ![JackdUp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jackdup/32/6015_2.png) [@JackdUp](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JackdUp)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/28 "2007-02-10T11:52:02Z")
> [@StockShift@fatwallet.com](#): > > Basic summary: > > -Original Black Talon: pulled voluntarily by Winchester in the mid 1990s after (unjustified) hue and cry about this ammo’s “fangs” causing needless harm. GQ pens damning article on the Black Talon round in or around 1994, said article being ridden with factual inaccuracies. StockShift, in a fit of rage, cancels his GQ subscription. > > -Supreme SXT: “standard” Winchester defensive ammo offering, basically a de-fanged Black Talon and no black lubalox coating. Offered to general public. Nickel plated cases. > > -Ranger SXT: enhanced Black Talon bullet, has the fangs but no black lubalox coating, discontinued in 1999 or 2000. Offered only to LE. Brass cases (original Black Talon had nickel cases). > > -Ranger T: further enhanced Black Talon, has the fangs, better performance in certain media, current Winchester LE ammo offering. No black lubalox coating. Offered only to LE. Nickel cases. They apparently renamed these to the Ranger “T”. > **[Law Enforcement Ammunition & Police Ammo | Winchester Law Enforcement](https://winchesterle.com)** > > Winchester Law Enforcement crafts high performance ammunition to arm officers with the best ammo available for active duty. > **[Law Enforcement Ammunition & Police Ammo | Winchester Law Enforcement](https://winchesterle.com)** > > Winchester Law Enforcement crafts high performance ammunition to arm officers with the best ammo available for active duty. ---
**Author:** ![imported\_Sleeper](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_sleeper/32/5939_2.png) [@imported\_Sleeper](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_Sleeper)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/29 "2007-02-10T11:54:50Z")
> [@5-26-07 4th anual memorial day party \*evangola state park\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-26-07-4th-anual-memorial-day-party-evangola-state-park/27916/7): > > They apparently renamed these to the Ranger “T”. > > [Law Enforcement Ammunition & Police Ammo | Winchester Law Enforcement](http://www.winchester.com/lawenforcement/pdf/LEPDF/2006%20Poster_Front.pdf) > > [Law Enforcement Ammunition & Police Ammo | Winchester Law Enforcement](http://www.winchester.com/lawenforcement/pdf/LEPDF/2006%20Poster_Back.pdf) WOW! Great find justin! I never knew nor heard of that b4 ---
**Author:** ![JackdUp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jackdup/32/6015_2.png) [@JackdUp](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JackdUp)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/30 "2007-02-10T11:55:59Z")
Gotta know these things! 😃 I wouldn’t recommend any of the +P+ listed there in any Glock, though. ---
**Author:** ![1320](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1320/32/5949_2.png) [@1320](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1320)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/31 "2007-02-10T13:35:39Z")
[quote=“Sleeper,post:5,topic:27916"”] Hollow point FTW! I still have some talons around somewhere from b4 the ban. [/quote] Im a big fan of the federal hyrda-shok. Which is whats in the gun. ---
**Author:** ![ZEX350Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/87869e/32.png) [@ZEX350Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ZEX350Z)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/32 "2007-02-10T13:56:33Z")
definately nothing new in that story “G” Lock \> \* Sig not far behind…just more sensitive to cleanliness ---
**Author:** ![Swarzkopf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@Swarzkopf](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Swarzkopf)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/33 "2007-02-10T14:28:55Z")
At one point I owned over 30 guns. I’m down to less than 20 now. ☹ My dad was a city cop (retired as LT) for 33 years and was a gun enthusiast as well, so he had me shooting at a pretty young age too. Not trying to engage in a pissing contest, just giving a little background that I’ve played with quite a few firearms. I apologize if I sound like a dickhead. heh In my experience, Sig and Glock are the finest performing pistols out there. I’ve honestly never seen a malfunction in either brand that wasn’t caused by limp wristing or shitty reloaded ammo. My first generation Glock 17 has only malfunctioned 3 times ever- once when my wife fired it, and twice when her friend fired it (both couldn’t maintain wrist control). I don’t believe that my Dad’s P226 has EVER jammed; and I know my buddy’s two Sigs have performed the same. On the other hand, I have seen various malfunctions in 1911s, H&Ks, Rugers, S&Ws, and other lesser brands as well. I honestly don’t have much experience with the XD series, but from what I’ve seen they look very decent. Between Glock and Sig, it’s a matter of personal preference. Most of my buddy’s prefer the Sig feel; I prefer the Glock trigger and I’m much more accurate with it as it’s what I’m used to. That said, when I lived in the city and carried daily I trusted my life with a 2" barrel .357 magnum Taurus M605. To use Pittspeed lingo, revolver \> \* 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JackdUp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jackdup/32/6015_2.png) [@JackdUp](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JackdUp)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/34 "2007-02-10T16:54:08Z")
That being said, I agree with most of what you say except using a Taurus for anything but driving a nail or as a doorstop. I have seen and had too many things puke on Taurus products. 1. I had a Taurus 617 7-shot 357 revolver that malfunctioned so badly that it went back three times and I didn’t trust it to save my life. It was so bad that I should have hacksawed it in half so some poor guy that needed a revolver to save his life didn’t buy this hunk of shit and get killed trying to protect his family. 2. Had a Taurus PT111 that did some strange shit numerous times…sold too. 3. My 3rd, 2nd and 1st Generation G17s have NEVER malfunctioned. Ever. …and so much other crap I can’t remember right now. I just happen to like Glock, but any weapon you choose is a great choice if you like it, it’s accurate and reliable and you can control it. This hogwash about spontaneous Glock firing is the kind of thing I’ve seen and heard about older police officers that had double action revolvers that never learned to keep their finger off the trigger until ready to fire the weapon and have the weapon on target. ---
**Author:** ![GNocide](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gnocide/32/5947_2.png) [@GNocide](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GNocide)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/35 "2007-02-10T20:21:43Z")
my glock 17 and my s&w sigma series are almost identical except for the trigger either way hey i know all about that ---
**Author:** ![Swarzkopf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@Swarzkopf](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Swarzkopf)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/36 "2007-02-11T09:45:00Z")
JackdUp- Taurus revolvers are basically the same thing as Smith and Wesson revolvers; I can’t remember the specifics, but Taurus actually bought out and owned Smith and Wesson for quite some time, and stole all of their designs and even their tooling. I’m really suprised that you had problems with a Taurus revolver. That’s the first I’ve ever heard of someone having issues with a Taurus revolver. Taurus semi-autos are another story all together. I also had a PT111 that constantly malfunctioned. Taurus semi-autos are iffy at best, with the exception of their Beretta 92 series knock offs which seem pretty decent. Note that I didn’t mention Taurus when discussing quality pistols, only revolvers. ---
**Author:** ![Swarzkopf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@Swarzkopf](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Swarzkopf)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/37 "2007-02-11T09:49:23Z")
…keep in mind that when I was carrying the M605, I also had 2 S&W 2" barrel Model 60s (one with wood and one with rubber grips), a 4" barrel S&W M10, a 3" barrel S&W M65 .357 magnum, and a 4" M66 .357 magnum (with a fancy S&W performance center trigger). The M605 is the only Taurus revolver I’ve ever owned, but I honestly can’t feel any different in quality between the Taurus and my S&Ws; if anything, I think the M605 feels a little nicer than the M60s. ---
**Author:** ![JackdUp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jackdup/32/6015_2.png) [@JackdUp](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JackdUp)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/38 "2007-02-11T11:01:23Z")
I must have just gotten a bad one then! ---
**Author:** ![tom\_vito](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tom_vito/32/6000_2.png) [@tom\_vito](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tom_vito)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/39 "2007-02-11T11:24:08Z")
> [@getting drivers for old HP? backup current drivers?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/getting-drivers-for-old-hp-backup-current-drivers/27897/2): > > i carry my XD with me everywhere i go, 100% of the time except for work i leave it in the car. it always has one in the chamber ready to go. can’t tell the bad guy to wait a second so you can rack the slide… couldn’t agee more… > [@getting drivers for old HP? backup current drivers?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/getting-drivers-for-old-hp-backup-current-drivers/27897/3): > > umm yeah but xd’s have… oh i don’t know… SAFTEYS… haha… plus you can’t fuckin tell if a glock is loaded or not… that’s the most obvious fault… no hammer, no saftey and pull the trigger to take the slide off :ugh: > > gangster as fuck for sure! i always wanted a glock but will never buy one. Just like life, a little common sense goes a long way… > [@Samsung sch-u740](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/samsung-sch-u740/27878/7): > > [i] > > These firearms do not spontaneously discharge (firing pin block safety). A finger on the trigger squeezing rearward is required unless the weapon is damaged or modified. Exactly, damaged or modified. Not sure if the newer ones ship with the same bokklet or not, but when I bought my dad his Glock, the manual said to change the springs every 2000 rounds. The other big problem is half assed reloads. > [@Drug bust](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/drug-bust/27875/5): > > I’m not a big fan of the ‘feel’ of most Glocks. I prefer either an HK USP or a Kel-Tec for carry. Depending on what I’m wearing. The Kel-Tec’s small enough to fit in a pocket nicely. I don’t go anywhere without my Kel-Tec. And in having it over 2 years, it has a a total of 3 jams, all with in the first 100 rounds, all with older off brand, cheap gun show ammo. Since that time I have shot magtech for practice, and speep gold dot, or handloads for protection. Without any problems at all. But I will say, these guns like to be clean, and very, very litlle lube come a LONG way… > [@Funny Vids, Pics and GIFs thread \*WORK SAFE\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/funny-vids-pics-and-gifs-thread-work-safe/38638/125): > > JackdUp- Taurus revolvers are basically the same thing as Smith and Wesson revolvers; I can’t remember the specifics, but Taurus actually bought out and owned Smith and Wesson for quite some time, and stole all of their designs and even their tooling. I’m really suprised that you had problems with a Taurus revolver. That’s the first I’ve ever heard of someone having issues with a Taurus revolver. > > Taurus semi-autos are another story all together. I also had a PT111 that constantly malfunctioned. Taurus semi-autos are iffy at best, with the exception of their Beretta 92 series knock offs which seem pretty decent. Note that I didn’t mention Taurus when discussing quality pistols, only revolvers. At last count our collection housed about 8 Taurus’, both revolvers and semis. The only problem we have had, was my wife was at the range doing some target shooting, and the take down pin broke on her PT111. Really have had no issues with jams or misfires at all. But then I know people that have had no problems with Hi-point either, not myself, but I do know one guy. ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937/40 "2007-02-11T12:27:46Z")
I love my single action 1911s. As for H&K being “lesser” than Glock…hahaha. Although I have no plans to buy one, I don’t have a problem with Glocks. However they are not “safer” than other guns and I don’t like when people try to say they are. The operator is what makes a gun safe. I can carry with one in the chamber in my SA 1911 and the hammer forward. That gun can’t be fired with the hammer forward, period. Again, the Glock is not unsafe, but by no means is it safer than any other gun. I won’t get into a pissing match about accidents that occur with Glocks, because I don’t care. But an operator that thinks his gun is very safe is the most dangerous element of all. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/glock-owners-check-this-out/187937.md?page=3)