# GM bankrupt!!??? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [October 8, 2008, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161 "2008-10-08T21:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/81 "2008-10-09T10:50:50Z")
> [@PureXTC](#): > > Yes ah no shit… I work for them over in amherst ---
**Author:** ![PureXTC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/purextc/32/5223_2.png) [@PureXTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PureXTC)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/82 "2008-10-09T10:51:46Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > ah no shit… I work for them over in amherst AIM? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/83 "2008-10-09T10:52:31Z")
nah :tdown: ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/84 "2008-10-09T10:53:57Z")
> [@cky89](#): > > Funny, I bought my VW to get me from point A to point B and be comfortable, and safe doing so. > Also, When I did my brakes at 27k I went to my work ADVANCE AUTO, and I purchased brake pads and rotors. ZOMG they were American made too! > I buy American products as well. They may not be American cars, but they are still products manufactured here. > > Oh and btw, my winter car is a GM product. I just went to the advance auto website and looked up a few things for a 2005 VW Jetti with a 2.5L motor. For those who have never navigated their website, if a local location doesn’t have a particular part they will ship from a warehouse to your local location and it usually only takes a day. If it already is at a local location the desciption will say “buy online” and “pick-up today”, if it isn’t at a local location it will say “ships in 1 day” or “ships in 3 days”. The site uses your zip code to determine in-stock situations. Here’s what I got when I looked for an alternator: “No parts found” Here’s what i got when I looked for fuel pump: “No parts found” Here’s what I got when I looked for Brake Rotor Front: “ships in 1 day” Good news though! They did have rear brake pads in stock! Available for pick up today! Yippie! Oh, they also don’t stock coils, ignition stuff, front or rear shocks, springs, ya know, things like that, that sometimes wear out. ---
**Author:** ![PureXTC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/purextc/32/5223_2.png) [@PureXTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PureXTC)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/85 "2008-10-09T10:54:27Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > nah :tdown: LOL where? I work on the docks. I prolly see your product everyday. ---
**Author:** ![cky89](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cky89/32/4945_2.png) [@cky89](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cky89)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/86 "2008-10-09T10:56:20Z")
> [@joelster](#): > > I just went to the advance auto website and looked up a few things for a 2005 VW Jetti with a 2.5L motor. For those who have never navigated their website, if a local location doesn’t have a particular part they will ship from a warehouse to your local location and it usually only takes a day. If it already is at a local location the desciption will say “buy online” and “pick-up today”, if it isn’t at a local location it will say “ships in 1 day” or “ships in 3 days”. The site uses your zip code to determine in-stock situations. > > Here’s what I got when I looked for an alternator: > > “No parts found” > > Here’s what i got when I looked for fuel pump: > > “No parts found” > > Here’s what I got when I looked for Brake Rotor Front: > > “ships in 1 day” > > Good news though! They did have rear brake pads in stock! Available for pick up today! Yippie! > > Oh, they also don’t stock coils, ignition stuff, front or rear shocks, springs, ya know, things like that, that sometimes wear out. You’re picking a brand new vehicle! Pick a 2006-2007 chevy tahoe and try to find some of this shit too. It’s not there. You’re also talking about getting parts for cars that are IN warranty. I wouldn’t ever replace rear shocks or springs on my 2007 out of pocket. I have a warranty for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/87 "2008-10-09T10:57:10Z")
That’s great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes, an aeroplane and Lenny Bruce is not afraid. Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn - world serves its own needs, dummy serve your own needs. Feed it off an aux speak, grunt, no, strength, the Ladder start to clatter with fear fight down height. Wire in a fire, representing seven games, and a government for hire at a combat site. Left of west and coming in a hurry with the furys breathing down your neck. Team by team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped. Look at that low playing. Fine, then. Uh oh, overflow, population, common food, but it’ll do to Save yourself, serve yourself. World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed dummy with the rapture and the revered and the right, right. You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty psyched. It’s the end of the world as we know it. It’s the end of the world as we know it. It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. Six o’clock - TV hour. Don’t get caught in foreign towers. Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself churn. Lock it in, uniforming, book burning, blood letting. Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate. Light a candle, light a motive. Step down, step down. Watch your heel crush, crushed, uh-oh, this means no fear cavalier. Renegade steer clear! A tournament, tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline. It’s the end of the world as we know it. It’s the end of the world as we know it. It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. The other night I dreamt of knives, continental drift divide. Mountains sit in a line, Leonard Bernstein. Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs. Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom! You symbiotic, patriotic, slam bug net, right? Right. It’s the end of the world as we know it. It’s the end of the world as we know it. It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel not so good This is some scary shit. GM has done so much right in the past few years to fix what was an uncompetitive business for the decade or so, but I think its just too late to save themselves now. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/88 "2008-10-09T10:58:52Z")
> [@PureXTC](#): > > LOL where? I work on the docks. I prolly see your product everyday. doah, I thought you meant aol instant messenger :lol: :banghead: Work for their engineering dept @ ridge lea (AC Compressors) ---
**Author:** ![BREETIME](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/breetime/32/5214_2.png) [@BREETIME](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BREETIME)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/89 "2008-10-09T10:59:45Z")
> [@cky89](#): > > Cool. You don’t even know me you piece of shit. Die in a fire. Faggot. > > If I could afford a GTO I’d own one. > If I could afford a Vette I’d own one. > If I could afford a TBSS I’d own one. > If I could afford a Chevy pickup I’d own one. > > None of them are worth what they sell for though. > And who the hell wants to shell out all the cash for all that gas for those big V8’s? > > All the econo cars are a shitty value if you look at it. Why am I going to buy a 16k cobalt and have it worth 10k a year later?! > I can buy a new civic for 18k and sell it for 16k a year later. > > It makes no sense you dickfuck. > > IS MY NAME CKY89? NO! I don’t use capslock you fucking retard. Get it the fuck right KRANT. yeah! ---
**Author:** ![jt76](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jt76/32/5100_2.png) [@jt76](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jt76)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/90 "2008-10-09T11:05:25Z")
> [@cky89](#): > > Cool. You don’t even know me you piece of shit. Die in a fire. Faggot. > > **If I could afford a GTO I’d own one.** > **If I could afford a Vette I’d own one.** > If I could afford a TBSS I’d own one. > If I could afford a Chevy pickup I’d own one. > > None of them are worth what they sell for though. > And who the hell wants to shell out all the **cash for all that gas for those big V8’s?** > > All the econo cars are a shitty value if you look at it. Why am I going to buy a 16k cobalt and have it worth 10k a year later?! > I can buy a new civic for 18k and sell it for 16k a year later. > > It makes no sense you dickfuck. > > IS MY NAME CKY89? NO! I don’t use capslock you fucking retard. Get it the fuck right KRANT. Ehh lets not forget that my 400+ rwhp piece of american automotive shit gets better MPG then your Nazi sled. We had this talk remember? Shit turbo Ls1 SS gets over 20 mpg and his car is probably up over 800 rwhp with a 408CI V8 with an 88mm turbo charger. And the shit boxes i highlighted get better MPG then me. You realize the Z06 is 500 hp and gets 25mpg? Not to mention the LS3 vette which gets close to 30. This is all water under the bridge because 99% of the retards on this forum will never admit to driving a pile of shit (of which 99% of the cars on here are, IMO) Oh and my Jeep has 154k miles and is running strong, my Chevy 2500 had 200k on it and all that was not orig were the brake lines. On the other hand, my Dad over the past 11 years has had a 1997 328I, 2003 M3, 2005 X5, and now some 5 series pile. the 328I was an electrical nightmare, the M3 blew the tranny at 48k miles, the X5 started gushing oil everywhere at 2500 miles on the way to Ohio, and thank God the latest car hasnt had a problem yet, but hes only had it 6 months. In my eperience, GM’s have treated me well, my Mustang on the other hand was a piece of shit :banghead: ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/91 "2008-10-09T11:18:09Z")
> [@cky89](#): > > You’re picking a brand new vehicle! > Pick a 2006-2007 chevy tahoe and try to find some of this shit too. It’s not there. > > You’re also talking about getting parts for cars that are IN warranty. I wouldn’t ever replace rear shocks or springs on my 2007 out of pocket. I have a warranty for a reason. I picked an '05 for the reason that it would most likely be in the 40,000 mile range and these parts would be starting to show some wear, like brakes, etc… Since when do warranties cover pads and rotors? My point that I was trying to make is that domestic car parts are extremely easy to come by, not so much with foreign cars. ---
**Author:** ![cky89](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cky89/32/4945_2.png) [@cky89](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cky89)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/92 "2008-10-09T11:21:26Z")
I understand, a 2005 is the newest generation with the 2.5 5cyl though. The parts ARE indeed a PITA to get. ---
**Author:** ![jetlounge](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jetlounge/32/4994_2.png) [@jetlounge](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jetlounge)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/93 "2008-10-09T11:32:51Z")
I’d love to buy american, but they really make it so difficult. they are plagued by bad luck, piss poor decisions and a faulty crystal ball. American car companies are like the guy who brings a knife to a gun fight. so out of touch. - they killed the first real plug in car - a hockey mom needs a hummer? really?? - a dollar short and a day late to the hybrid game - japanese read the us and world market better. they have flooded the market with reliable subcompacts (fit, versa, scion), just at a time when 14mpg jeeps sit on the lot. This is nothing new. This happened during the last gas crisis - the volt coupe was an interesting protoype, but have you seen the production sedan version? ugly as sin. toyota and honda will do it better. - and what’s on tap for innovation 2009 - 2011? Where is the R&D capital focused?? Retro styled muscle cars…right, that’ll work great. coupes that get crap mileage. When gas is $6 a gallon hockey mom tells the family they’re getting a civic, not the Trans Am. Only manufacturer that as of late has made some strides with mainstream usa is ford…largely by copying tried and true import vehicles and their marketing (edge is clearly a murano rip off, flex a scion xb… marketing on the flex and the cobalt by the way, are straight out of the Scion playbook)…but who cares, its working. ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/94 "2008-10-09T11:56:01Z")
> [@jetlounge](#): > > I’d love to buy american, but they really make it so difficult. they are plagued by bad luck, piss poor decisions and a faulty crystal ball. > > American car companies are like the guy who brings a knife to a gun fight. so out of touch. > > - they killed the first real plug in car > > - a hockey mom needs a hummer? really?? > > - a dollar short and a day late to the hybrid game > > - japanese read the us and world market better. they have flooded the market with reliable subcompacts (fit, versa, scion), just at a time when 14mpg jeeps sit on the lot. This is nothing new. This happened during the last gas crisis > > - the volt coupe was an interesting protoype, but have you seen the production sedan version? ugly as sin. toyota and honda will do it better. > > - and what’s on tap for innovation 2009 - 2011? Where is the R&D capital focused?? Retro styled muscle cars…right, that’ll work great. coupes that get crap mileage. When gas is $6 a gallon hockey mom tells the family they’re getting a civic, not the Trans Am. > > Only manufacturer that as of late has made some strides with mainstream usa is ford…largely by copying tried and true import vehicles and their marketing (edge is clearly a murano rip off, flex a scion xb… marketing on the flex and the cobalt by the way, are straight out of the Scion playbook)…but who cares, its working. Coupes that get crap mileage? The Camaro will be around 30mpg highway if you get a stick. That’s crap to you? I’m really curious as to what uber-smart car you drive. I really have no idea. ---
**Author:** ![jetlounge](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jetlounge/32/4994_2.png) [@jetlounge](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jetlounge)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/95 "2008-10-09T12:34:33Z")
Camaro… 1) will believe it when I see it, 2) even still, by then honda/toyota will be higher 3) muscle coupes are out of favor…sign of the times man. and chill out dude, I never said I drove a “smart car”. Frankly I don’t know what the hell a “smart” car is…is that what you call a hybrid? nyspeed is NOT the litmus of the nation. Take a pulse and you’ll see what people want to drive. Sadly, it’s not a muscle Coupe. Its a grocery getter that gets 30+mpg with 3rd row seating! Yeah people will lust over those vehicles, but that’s where it ends. Remember the cliche middle aged guy buying his muscle car? Not anymore. Not during recession, not when gas is north of $3.50/gallon and the family needs food, not horsepower. It is the end of an era and has been for a while. ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/96 "2008-10-09T13:05:29Z")
Couple thoughts: > [@jetlounge](#): > > - they killed the first real plug in car > **Too bad they only “sold” about 1200 of the EV1 over three years - obviously a sales “success” for GM to build on.** > > - a hockey mom needs a hummer? really?? > > - japanese read the us and world market better. they have flooded the market with reliable subcompacts (fit, versa, scion), just at a time when 14mpg jeeps sit on the lot. This is nothing new. This happened during the last gas crisis > **Except their home-market is what was driving the development of the subcompacts - where gas was $5/gal years ago, and no open space to drive. Up until the latest gas crisis, you couldn’t give many subcompacts away. And Toyota realized this, hence their investment into the Tundra/Sequoia plant in Texas.** > > - the volt coupe was an interesting protoype, but have you seen the production sedan version? ugly as sin. toyota and honda will do it better. > **The styling is less of an issue than the performance - at least to the prospective buyer. I mean, who buys a Prius for _looks_? If you can get 40 miles all-electric, then people will buy it.** > > - and what’s on tap for innovation 2009 - 2011? Where is the R&D capital focused?? Retro styled muscle cars…right, that’ll work great. coupes that get crap mileage. When gas is $6 a gallon hockey mom tells the family they’re getting a civic, not the Trans Am. > **Mind you - it takes several years to create these designs. The Camaro was started back in 2003-2004. I’d bet that if you were in GM’s shoes today, the R&D money _isn’t_ in developing a new Trans Am.** ---
**Author:** ![nitroinsane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d26b3c/32.png) [@nitroinsane](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nitroinsane)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/97 "2008-10-09T13:11:51Z")
I bought my cobalt last year it Lost 2500 on value in one year ---
**Author:** ![Shockwave179](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shockwave179/32/7496_2.png) [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/98 "2008-10-09T13:22:17Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Edit: I also love all the GM haters who drive mid 90s shit box Hondas and other assorted POS cars… BWHAHAHA at the edit, so true. For realz though the stupidity in this thread hurts my head. ---
**Author:** ![DrDoS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ccd318/32.png) [@DrDoS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DrDoS)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/99 "2008-10-09T13:25:51Z")
I just came to say that vdubs suck ---
**Author:** ![jetlounge](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jetlounge/32/4994_2.png) [@jetlounge](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jetlounge)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/100 "2008-10-09T13:34:15Z")
trauma, I agree with many of your points. > [@traumadog](#): > > ``` > Originally Posted by jetlounge [![http://www.nyspeed.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif](http://www.nyspeed.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif)](http://nyspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1117842#post1117842) > - they killed the first real plug in car > > ``` > > Too bad they only “sold” about 1200 of the EV1 over three years - obviously a sales “success” for GM to build on. > **Agreed, but you can only sell what you produce…** > > **…** > > - the volt coupe was an interesting protoype, but have you seen the production sedan version? ugly as sin. toyota and honda will do it better. > The styling is less of an issue than the performance - at least to the prospective buyer. I mean, who buys a Prius for _looks_? If you can get 40 miles all-electric, then people will buy it. > **Put them side by side, all things being equal and folks will choose the modern looking vehicle. Why is it that american cars have to be so…boxy?** > > - and what’s on tap for innovation 2009 - 2011? Where is the R&D capital focused?? Retro styled muscle cars…right, that’ll work great. coupes that get crap mileage. When gas is $6 a gallon hockey mom tells the family they’re getting a civic, not the Trans Am. > Mind you - it takes several years to create these designs. The Camaro was started back in 2003-2004. I’d bet that if you were in GM’s shoes today, the R&D money _isn’t_ in developing a new Trans Am. > **Couldn’t agree with you more. That’s why I said part of their failure is in a faulty crystal ball… and bad luck.** **I wouldn’t be surprised if many of those muscle-retro’s get scrapped.** … [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161.md?page=6)