# GM bankrupt!!??? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [October 8, 2008, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161 "2008-10-08T21:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/141 "2008-10-09T21:02:00Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > It’s 2008, how many AWD car models does Chevy offer? > Ford? > Chrysler? > Just sayin… Pontiac Vibe Cadillac CTS and STS Holden Cruze Opel Insignia Saab 9-3 Chrysler 300 and Sebring Dodge Avenger and Charger Ford Fusion and Taurus Mercury Sable and Milan Volvo S40, S60 and S80 What are you just saying? Which company are you comparing it to? Audi, Subaru or something else? Toyota has 1 car, the Matrix built next to the Vibe. Edit: Lexus also has the IS 250 and LS ---
**Author:** ![dubbin91](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dubbin91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dubbin91)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 5:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/142 "2008-10-10T05:46:23Z")
> [@cky89](#): > > LOL ARE YOU FOR REAL? “MY LIL BRAND NEW 2007 23K PIECE OF SHIT?” > My car will outlast your pile of dogshit. > > I’m going to knock you the fuck out you little faggot. Well the car part is not true…but uneducated is a different story. I swear when I read a post from you or Just Karter I am more retarded. ---
**Author:** ![Shockwave179](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shockwave179/32/7496_2.png) [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/143 "2008-10-10T06:16:17Z")
^ Haha ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/144 "2008-10-10T06:20:11Z")
Is this is FBody winter drama in its most elemental form… A discussion on GM Bankruptcy??? ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/145 "2008-10-10T13:58:16Z")
Ford has been ok in the stock market lately. It must be that child key technology that is coming out. Lol. ---
**Author:** ![jetlounge](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jetlounge/32/4994_2.png) [@jetlounge](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jetlounge)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/146 "2008-10-10T14:44:53Z")
No, it’s Microsoft Sync. That will single handedly restore the automotive market in America. “Radio. Play Michael Bolton.” ---
**Author:** ![Jam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jam/32/7235_2.png) [@Jam](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jam)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/147 "2008-10-10T15:15:45Z")
^lol and no ive never been in the market for an american car. ive owned 3 (all of which were given to my by my dad), and hated every last one of them. from the interior to the drive train to the reliability and maintenance. as far as sporty low maintnece reliable compacts go… usdm cars suck. now if i was in the market for a mini van, suv, or truck it would be a whole diffrent story… ---
**Author:** ![Shockwave179](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shockwave179/32/7496_2.png) [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/148 "2008-10-10T18:15:52Z")
> [@Jam](#): > > as far as sporty low maintnece reliable compacts go… usdm cars suck. Not as of late… Look at the Cobalt SS, SRT-4 etc. ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/149 "2008-10-10T18:43:16Z")
> [@Jam](#): > > and no ive never been in the market for an american car. ive owned 3 (all of which were given to my by my dad), and hated every last one of them. from the interior to the drive train to the reliability and maintenance… Makes me wonder which cars you got from your dad. I’m sure they were '80s POS cars, which have nothing to do with what’s being made today… > [@Shockwave179](#): > > Not as of late… > > Look at the Cobalt SS, SRT-4 etc. See below (post #74) > [@traumadog](#): > > Lemme see… > > new '08 Cobalt SS/TC: > > 1. wins a Road and Track comparison test between it, the Mazdaspeed 3, WRX and Lancer Ralliart… as a _4-door_, and without the optional LSD. > > 2. also does the Car and Driver “Lightning Lap” of VIR only 1/2 second behind a 350Z Track (3:13:0 sec for the Cobalt, 3:12.5 for the 350Z Track, 3:16:0 for the MS3, 3:13.3 for the Mitsubishi Evo MR, 3:15:00 for the Honda S2000 CR, 3:19.0 for the Subaru WRX STi, 3:21.8 for the VW R32, and 3:24.8 for the Honda Civic Mugen Si). > > [http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section\_id=31&article\_id=7103](http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=7103) > > [http://www.caranddriver.com/content/download/122224/1656509/version/1/file/The+Lightning+Lap%2C+2008+Results.pdf](http://www.caranddriver.com/content/download/122224/1656509/version/1/file/The+Lightning+Lap%2C+2008+Results.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![speedped](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@speedped](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/speedped)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/150 "2008-10-10T19:14:45Z")
> [@cky89](#): > > LOL ARE YOU FOR REAL? “MY LIL BRAND NEW 2007 23K PIECE OF SHIT?” > My car will outlast your pile of dogshit. > > I’m going to knock you the fuck out you little faggot. arent you the acne prone kid at advance who was there the other day? me and my buddy walked in you whispered something to the girl at the counter and went and hid in back, youd have much trouble knockign me out btw ---
**Author:** ![speedped](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@speedped](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/speedped)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/151 "2008-10-10T19:15:37Z")
> [@traumadog](#): > > Chrysler has the 300 AWD. Ford has an AWD Taurus and Fusion. > GM has an AWD Saab 9-3, Cadillac STS and CTS. > > OTOH, How about Honda? Or Nissan? fusion is not awd, ford has the taurus, 500, edge, escape, ---
**Author:** ![speedped](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@speedped](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/speedped)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/152 "2008-10-10T19:19:04Z")
> [@dubbin91](#): > > Well the car part is not true…but uneducated is a different story. > > I swear when I read a post from you or Just Karter I am more retarded. i honestly bet that my truck would outlast your car, just from the fact that its in good condition and the motors are known to go to 250-300k if well maintained where as your car and its cheap materials will be rotted completely out in about 6 years and it costed me about 22,000 less and i still pull more tail in it then you do in your car , so id reconsider the failing at life comment and look in a mirror - directed towards cky89 ---
**Author:** ![Jagermeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@Jagermeister](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jagermeister)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/153 "2008-10-10T19:38:53Z")
I’m hearing talks of a possible GM & Chrysler merger… ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/154 "2008-10-10T19:57:57Z")
> [@speedped](#): > > fusion is not awd, ford has the taurus, 500, edge, escape, Wrong > **[2008 Ford Fusion - CarGurus](https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/2008-Ford-Fusion-Trims-c8314#entity:t31689)** > > 2008 Ford Fusion - CarGurus [http://www.ford.com/vehicles/vehicle-showroom#/ford/ford-fusion-2009](http://www.ford.com/vehicles/vehicle-showroom#/ford/ford-fusion-2009) ---
**Author:** ![rj-92](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rj-92/32/7310_2.png) [@rj-92](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rj-92)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/155 "2008-10-10T23:55:05Z")
> [@Jagermeister](#): > > I’m hearing talks of a possible GM & Chrysler merger… Saw some of that too. Here’s an article from the times; [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/business/11auto.html?\_r=1&hp&oref=slogin](http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/business/11auto.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/156 "2008-10-11T00:16:20Z")
> **[GM Had Talks With Chrysler](https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122367931927624611?mod=djemalert)** > > GM has recently been in talks with Cerberus about buying Chrysler in exchange for its remaining stake in GMAC. The upheaval in financial markets has rendered the talks inactive, but if markets stabilize, they could be renewed. Wall Street Journal article about GM and Chrysler talks. ---
**Author:** ![cky89](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cky89/32/4945_2.png) [@cky89](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cky89)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/157 "2008-10-11T00:32:39Z")
> [@speedped](#): > > i honestly bet that my truck would outlast your car, just from the fact that its in good condition and the motors are known to go to 250-300k if well maintained where as your car and its cheap materials will be rotted completely out in about 6 years and it costed me about 22,000 less and i still pull more tail in it then you do in your car , so id reconsider the failing at life comment and look in a mirror - directed towards cky89 next time you come into my work im going to knock you out and lose my job. it will be well worth it. ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/158 "2008-10-11T01:54:15Z")
> [@NYTimes"](#): > > General Motors is in preliminary talks about a possible merger with Chrysler, a deal that could drastically remake the landscape of the auto industry by reducing the Big Three of Detroit automakers to the Big Two. What’s interesting in this is that Cerberus already owns 51% of GMAC… so I wonder how much of a meltdown this would really cause. And besides, this would create a hell of an overlap in product lines (Jeep vs. Hummer for example), dealerships, etc… and not in a good way. Oh, and I wonder if Congress would go for it, and how the UAW would take this, especially since there’d be a push to dump more “excess production overcapacity”. Of course, with GM’s Market Cap around $3 billion, it’s probably fairly easy for Cerberus to “take GM private” by shedding off certain parts of Chrysler & using that to do a leveraged buyout of what’s there with GM (sorta like what happened with K-Mart and Sears). ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 5:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/159 "2008-10-11T05:12:56Z")
Ford is considering selling it’s 1/3 stake in mazda while GM is considering a merger to get another shitty brand. :bloated: GM needs less brands, not more. At least Ford is doing something to give them a little cash. ---
**Author:** ![TORQDSS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/torqdss/32/5125_2.png) [@TORQDSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TORQDSS)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 5:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161/160 "2008-10-11T05:46:55Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Ford is considering selling it’s 1/3 stake in mazda while GM is considering a merger to get another shitty brand. :bloated: > > GM needs less brands, not more. > > At least Ford is doing something to give them a little cash. I agree 100% with you, GM has one of the highest quality rating in the world now (finally!) and makes awesome product, they do not need to add Chrysler. I don’t think Chrysler would be helping them at all since they are already giving vehicles away and still can’t sell them. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-bankrupt/56161.md?page=9)