# GM Hangs On to Top Sales Spot Over Toyota **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [January 24, 2008, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346 "2008-01-24T08:17:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![snowracer101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/21 "2008-01-24T15:57:42Z")
I don’t see why people care so much about recalls. We treat our cars like shit…we drive them through shit ass conditions…from 110 degree weather to -30 degree weather (in some states) Through deep snow,sand and salt. We sit in stop and go traffic and 90% don’t warm up their cars properly. I’d rather have a company put out new and innovative products…with a slight risk of failure and if it does fail…fix it on the house. It’s not like a recall really affects the average person. You drop teh car off at the dealer, they give you a rental, all expenses covered. You are in and out within the hour. So people, if you complain about recalls, get a life. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/22 "2008-01-24T15:59:36Z")
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**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/23 "2008-01-24T17:07:15Z")
> [@sedlmeier101](#): > > I don’t see why people care so much about recalls. > > We treat our cars like shit…we drive them through shit ass conditions…from 110 degree weather to -30 degree weather (in some states) Through deep snow,sand and salt. We sit in stop and go traffic and 90% don’t warm up their cars properly. > > I’d rather have a company put out new and innovative products…with a slight risk of failure and if it does fail…fix it on the house. > > It’s not like a recall really affects the average person. You drop teh car off at the dealer, they give you a rental, all expenses covered. You are in and out within the hour. > > So people, if you complain about recalls, get a life. Right because recalls are usually made after someone dies or has a serious accident due to the failure. But your right as long as it’s not you who cares. Companies should build crap cars and only fix them when they are forced to. ---
**Author:** ![snowracer101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/24 "2008-01-24T17:16:31Z")
> [@BigRon](#): > > Right because recalls are usually made after someone dies or has a serious accident due to the failure. > But your right as long as it’s not you who cares. > > Companies should build crap cars and only fix them when they are forced to. I didn’t say companies should build shitty cars. I feel that companies take so long to introduce new technology because if it does mess up people will bitch and complain and destroy the company’s name. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 5:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/25 "2008-01-25T05:27:38Z")
> [@BigRon](#): > > Right because recalls are usually made after someone dies or has a serious accident due to the failure. > But your right as long as it’s not you who cares. > > Companies should build crap cars and only fix them when they are forced to. Recalls can be for something as simple as a dome light not working. Mandatory recalls are a different story though. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 5:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/26 "2008-01-25T05:39:57Z")
> [@TORQDSS](#): > > By the way, I’m disappointed FRY, I thought you were on our side… well someone needs to be on the dark side. I guess I can still like you. I’m just hating because I drive a Nissan built in Tennessee so I don’t know who to hate. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![white\_mk\_2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e495f1/32.png) [@white\_mk\_2](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/white_mk_2)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/27 "2008-01-25T09:42:42Z")
> [@greenbull](#): > > if GM would have nipped shit in the butt in the mid 90’s it might be a much different story and toyota may not have come roaring up like they have. LOL more like the 70’s not the 90’s. This kind of thing doesn’t happen overnight. It’s fueled by very different business philosophies. That’s not something that’s likely to change soon with any of the domestic companies on a large scale. The other reason I see Toyota continuing to grow here especially is that they have taylored their whole product line to the US market. Which explains why it is a tremendously boring line of BIG vehicles. I think to really put the nail in the coffin they’ll need to come back with a halo car like GM and Dodge have the Vette and Viper. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/28 "2008-01-25T09:45:34Z")
The second to final nail will come this season as Toyota will win in NASCAR’s highest series, with the only car of the series being made in the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/29 "2008-01-25T09:46:12Z")
I love how the GM fanboys just change the subject when I callout the BS numbers. “lets all talk about recalls now” ---
**Author:** ![white\_mk\_2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e495f1/32.png) [@white\_mk\_2](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/white_mk_2)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/30 "2008-01-25T09:53:53Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > with the only car of the series being made in the U.S. This I find especially amusing and I still don’t care for NASCAR even if Toyota wins. ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/31 "2008-01-25T10:10:36Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > I love how the GM fanboys just change the subject when I callout the BS numbers. “lets all talk about recalls now” Well not many other articles talk about the variance Here is a great GM banishing article I agree with [http://seekingalpha.com/article/61402-wake-up-gm-toyota-overtook-you-years-ago?source=yahoo](http://seekingalpha.com/article/61402-wake-up-gm-toyota-overtook-you-years-ago?source=yahoo) Cliff notes: Perception is Toyota makes a better car Toyota is growing faster Toyota makes more money On the positive side: GM has addressed many quality concerns and new product offerings are promising GM sold more than 1 million vehicles in China, almost 500,000 in Brazil and doubled sales in Russia Hopefully some cost cutting and buyouts will help level the playing field ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/32 "2008-01-25T14:43:18Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > with the only car of the series being made in the U.S. I don’t pay any attention to NASCAR, cliffs? ---
**Author:** ![Boomin99GT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boomin99gt/32/7306_2.png) [@Boomin99GT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boomin99GT)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/33 "2008-01-25T14:58:05Z")
Man I used to love those balljoint recalls. It would pay me 2.6 hours with an alignment and only take me half an hour. Yay for recalls. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/34 "2008-01-25T15:50:21Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > I don’t pay any attention to NASCAR, cliffs? Basically four car companies compete in NASCAR. Three of them are American, one is foriegn. These cars are based _very closely_ off of the production models. The specific models and place of production are: The Chevy Monte Carlo / Impala is made in Oshawa, Ontario, Canada. The Dodge Charger is made in Brampton, Ontario, Canada. The Ford Fusion is made in Hermosillo, Sonora, Mexico. The Toyota Camry is made in Georetown, Kentucky, USA. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/35 "2008-01-25T17:16:47Z")
Thats hilarious. I won’t even start in on that in this thread. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/36 "2008-02-14T10:02:50Z")
GM broke it’s own record! It lost $38 billion last year. (I didn’t see any other posts about this record loss.) ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/37 "2008-02-14T10:04:50Z")
You may not have seen it, but its out there / here. 🙂 You gotta remeber that the loss includes a ~$36B writedown which everyone knew was out there. edit - [http://nyspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45321&highlight=gm+operating+loss](http://nyspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45321&highlight=gm+operating+loss) ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/38 "2008-02-14T10:06:25Z")
Oh, OK, my bad I guess. ---
**Author:** ![greenbull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@greenbull](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/greenbull)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/39 "2008-02-14T10:46:32Z")
you need snopes AND a big search button :search: 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-hangs-on-to-top-sales-spot-over-toyota/42346/40 "2008-02-14T10:53:46Z")
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