# GM is the ruler of the free world **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [November 24, 2008, 6:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370 "2008-11-24T06:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/21 "2008-11-24T07:54:06Z")
> [@Shady](#): > > Pot energy? > > omg the world would be hillarious [The point] \<--------------------------------------------\> [you] ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/22 "2008-11-24T07:54:24Z")
> [@Shady](#): > > Pot energy? > > omg the world would be hillarious drag races would become team 1/4 mile bong clearing races. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/23 "2008-11-24T07:54:31Z")
Beanie would be deep throating the car’s exhaust pipes. :rofl ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/24 "2008-11-24T07:55:02Z")
oh wow, hash oil diesel fuel :excited ---
**Author:** ![psi2high](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/psi2high/32/6320_2.png) [@psi2high](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/psi2high)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/25 "2008-11-24T07:56:22Z")
This thread is ridiculous and so amusing at the same time ---
**Author:** ![99FRC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/99frc/32/6335_2.png) [@99FRC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/99FRC)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/26 "2008-11-24T11:22:01Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > GM was struggling WELL before the economy puked recently. They had nearly a $39BILLION loss in 2007 alone. Source -\> [GM posts $38.7-billion '07 loss](http://articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/13/business/fi-gm13) > > It’s hilarious that I seem to know more about GM than you and I don’t even like GM products. :nuts > > Unfortuantely number of sales doesn’t equate to profit. Also, their sales has been decreasing for many quarters. They have also had huge losses. Sources -\> > > [GM posts $38.7-billion '07 loss](http://articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/13/business/fi-gm13) > [GM Sales Drop 13% In February - AutoSpies Auto News](http://www.autospies.com/news/GM-Sales-Drop-13-In-February-27150/) > [http://www.autounleashed.com/ouch-155-billion-loss-for-gm-in-q2-2008](http://www.autounleashed.com/ouch-155-billion-loss-for-gm-in-q2-2008) > [GM September Sales Drop 15.6%](http://jalopnik.com/5057594/gm-september-sales-drop-156) > > Yes, you are and I made a fool of you in the process: > > To add, yes, a lot has to do the with actual products they sell. They were lossing sales for years and losing sales now during the economy slow down. They put a lot of money to revitialize their light truck/SUV right before the gas prices starting to jump.They have been highly criticized for trying to push inefficient autos to consumers among other things. Do you read the paper at all? :lol Your opinion can sometimes interfere with your ability to think logically Shawn. The market has been set for this recession since Clinton left office and now the shit is hitting the fan. Their sales have been down, yes. But AGAIN, it has more to do with the business than the product itself. There are business’s that flourish by selling a less than average product, then there are business’s who fail selling a great product. It ALWAYS comes down to the business and how they conduct it. Your answer to this is childish, almost at the elementary level of economics, if they even have that. GM is failing at the corporate level not the manufacturing level. They have great products that are being sold wrong. Combine that with a falling economy and you get disaster. Don’t just pick on GM if your going to be a critic. Pick on all domestic manufacturers. Your going to tell me that the big three are all failing because they sell shitty products? Your wrong by stating they are failing because of the product. They are failing because of a huge combination of external and internal problems. The product is a small part of this equation in that they do have great competition in the world. The answer is that they need to fix their problems at the corporate level, re-work the business as a whole and start walking in stride with current events such as the economy and the environment. The actuall product, AGAIN, is not the main issue. So stop with your subjective bs on what YOU think GM cars should be and start looking at what it is and what they have to do to fix their problems. ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/27 "2008-11-24T11:25:05Z")
> [@Pants Party](#): > > The market has been set for this recession since Clinton left office and now the shit is hitting the fan. Their sales have been down, yes. ? LOL WUT > [@Pants Party](#): > > But AGAIN, it has more to do with the business than the product itself. There are business’s that flourish by selling a less than average product, then there are business’s who fail selling a great product. It ALWAYS comes down to the business and how they conduct it. Their business IS their product. They are one in the same. The products suck. The business sucks. I wish Mitsubishi was in trouble when you had a VR-4, we would’ve gotten the same crap! ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/28 "2008-11-24T11:26:54Z")
you do know you weren’t quoting shawn, right? ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/29 "2008-11-24T11:29:51Z")
They’re both wrong. You’d have to be to have owned a VR4. ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/30 "2008-11-24T11:30:44Z")
oh right, he had a Vr4 too, I forgot :ssh ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/31 "2008-11-24T11:34:46Z")
pants party = idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Oleg](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/oleg/32/6276_2.png) [@Oleg](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Oleg)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/32 "2008-11-24T12:22:22Z")
To keep this on track, I read an article recently about the reasons for domestic car manufacturing failing, and they mentioned that a lot of it had to do with GM having two-three times the number of brands that their competition had, while having the same market share. They also use more union labor, and have to pay full salaries to workers displaced by automation. A lot of stuff like that, basically they’re hemorrhaging money and are in dire need of restructuring. Don’t know about the actual cars, never owned a domestic. ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/33 "2008-11-24T12:24:12Z")
maybe VW will buy them ---
**Author:** ![Hooked\_on\_240](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Hooked\_on\_240](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hooked_on_240)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/34 "2008-11-24T14:14:54Z")
> [@JClark](#): > > [The point] \<--------------------------------------------\> [you] :crackup i lol’d for a good 3 minutes ---
**Author:** ![4cedfed4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/6a8cbe/32.png) [@4cedfed4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/4cedfed4)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/35 "2008-11-24T16:58:13Z")
> [@Hooked on 240](#): > > :crackup i lol’d for a good 3 minutes Me too ---
**Author:** ![w.tungsten](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7bcc69/32.png) [@w.tungsten](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/w.tungsten)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/36 "2008-11-24T17:07:15Z")
so why was this thread started? ---
**Author:** ![cazwrx187](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cazwrx187/32/6388_2.png) [@cazwrx187](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cazwrx187)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/37 "2008-11-24T17:08:02Z")
> [@w.tungsten](#): > > so why was this thread started? lsx\>\* That’s pretty much it :lol ---
**Author:** ![Cliff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@Cliff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cliff)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/38 "2008-11-24T17:13:17Z")
LOL!!! ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/39 "2008-11-24T17:24:57Z")
> [@Pants Party](#): > > Your opinion can sometimes interfere with your ability to think logically Shawn. I didn’t know GM’s financial #s were my opinion? > [@Pants Party](#): > > The market has been set for this recession since Clinton left office and now the shit is hitting the fan. Their sales have been down, yes. WTF? > [@Pants Party](#): > > But AGAIN, it has more to do with the business than the product itself. There are business’s that flourish by selling a less than average product, then there are business’s who fail selling a great product. It ALWAYS comes down to the business and how they conduct it. LOL. What? > [@Pants Party](#): > > Your answer to this is childish, almost at the elementary level of economics, if they even have that. GM is failing at the corporate level not the manufacturing level. They have great products that are being sold wrong. Combine that with a falling economy and you get disaster. Did you miss the previous quarter losses? :lol > [@Pants Party](#): > > The answer is that they need to fix their problems at the corporate level, re-work the business as a whole and start walking in stride with current events such as the economy and the environment. The actuall product, AGAIN, is not the main issue. You should apply for their open CFO position. > [@Pants Party](#): > > So stop with your subjective bs on what YOU think GM cars should be and start looking at what it is and what they have to do to fix their problems. It’s not my subjective anything. They were critized by many people for making products no one wants. Rebuilding the Tahoe division when it gets 8MPG when GAS is near $5 a gallon isn’t smart business. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/40 "2008-11-24T17:25:59Z")
> [@JClark](#): > > They’re both wrong. You’d have to be to have owned a VR4. I didn’t say much to be wrong but quote financial stats. But, I’ll ignore your VR4 comment. I’d drop the bomb that you have people like Beanie but you’d reply with Pants so I’d fail. ☹ [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370.md?page=3)