# GM is the ruler of the free world **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [November 24, 2008, 6:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370 "2008-11-24T06:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/41 "2008-11-24T17:37:31Z")
I \<3 your posts Shawn. Brings me back to the ol’ APG argument days. :hug Not saying you’re right, but you can always lead a good argument. ---
**Author:** ![Hooked\_on\_240](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Hooked\_on\_240](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hooked_on_240)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/42 "2008-11-24T17:40:34Z")
> [@Vovchandr](#): > > I \<3 your posts Shawn. > > Brings me back to the ol’ APG argument days. :hug > > Not saying you’re right, but you can always lead a good argument. Jammer 2012 ---
**Author:** ![Alpine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@Alpine](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Alpine)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/43 "2008-11-24T18:21:14Z")
Because of this thread, my next car will be a LS1-powered Honda Civic. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/44 "2008-11-24T18:51:23Z")
> [@Vovchandr](#): > > I \<3 your posts Shawn. > > Brings me back to the ol’ APG argument days. :hug > > Not saying you’re right, but you can always lead a good argument. Yea, I am confused by Pants logic. It’s a bit nutty. :nuts ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 4:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/45 "2008-11-25T04:59:46Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > I didn’t say much to be wrong but quote financial stats. But, I’ll ignore your VR4 comment. I’d drop the bomb that you have people like Beanie but you’d reply with Pants so I’d fail. ☹ wtf ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 5:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/46 "2008-11-25T05:41:56Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > Took less than 2 minutes to produce that post. 🙂 > > But, it’s not hatin’, but refuting bad information. Havnt you guys seen, Shawn will crawl the end of this flat earth to prove America sucks . ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 5:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/47 "2008-11-25T05:45:07Z")
> [@oleg](#): > > To keep this on track, I read an article recently about the reasons for domestic car manufacturing failing, and they mentioned that a lot of it had to do with GM having two-three times the number of brands that their competition had, while having the same market share. They also use more union labor, and have to pay full salaries to workers displaced by automation. A lot of stuff like that, basically they’re hemorrhaging money and are in dire need of restructuring. Don’t know about the actual cars, never owned a domestic. :bowdown ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 5:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/48 "2008-11-25T05:50:03Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > I didn’t know GM’s financial #s were my opinion? > > Rebuilding the Tahoe division when it gets 8MPG when GAS is near $5 a gallon isn’t smart business. Hey, NUTSACK, you EVER gonna get the fuckin point??? Why do you exagerate and lie??? Why? Does it make you feel better? Are you 12? When did Tahoes get 8 mpg? Some of that money went into the Hybrid Tahoe which gets 23+ mpg. If your trying to make an intelligent argumnet, people might stop tuneing you out if you didnt purposely use disinformation. If you were simply trying to be funny, it doesnt work. I vote you leave the country. Thats just me. We can still argue, but I’ll know your not useing anymore of my countries beloved resources. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/49 "2008-11-25T06:16:55Z")
> [@BENNYFIZZLE](#): > > wtf Nothing but love. 🙂 > [@Jammer](#): > > Hey, NUTSACK, you EVER gonna get the fuckin point??? Why do you exagerate and lie??? Why? Does it make you feel better? Are you 12? When did Tahoes get 8 mpg? Some of that money went into the Hybrid Tahoe which gets 23+ mpg. > If your trying to make an intelligent argumnet, people might stop tuneing you out if you didnt purposely use disinformation. If you were simply trying to be funny, it doesnt work. > I vote you leave the country. Thats just me. We can still argue, but I’ll know your not useing anymore of my countries beloved resources. Use all that money hidden under your bed and buy a sense of humor. Pants can’t seem to figure out that GM was criticized for pushing their light truck/SUV division right during the major gas price increase and pushing products that the market wasn’t buying. The 8MPG was joke a tongue-n-cheek comment. Get your panties out of your ass and lighten up. 🙂 Most of the members on here have a hard time formulating a post without being filled with typos and invalid grammar so getting into deep thoughts such as complicated quarterly profit/loss seemed to be pushing it. :lol Your loyalty to fellow domestic fanbois is admirable. I didn’t notice you organize the troops and attack based on the “GM builds superior… blah blah” comment but a the Tahoe/8MPG joke crosses Jammer’s line. :nono ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 6:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/50 "2008-11-25T06:18:20Z")
> [@Jammer](#): > > Havnt you guys seen, Shawn will crawl the end of this flat earth to prove America sucks . :lol I think America sucks because I posted some sources of GM’s financial #s? I guess given those #s, a lot of people feel the same. You’re a nut :nuts ---
**Author:** ![plaf713](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@plaf713](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/plaf713)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/51 "2008-11-25T07:22:31Z")
> [@oleg](#): > > To keep this on track, I read an article recently about the reasons for domestic car manufacturing failing, and they mentioned that a lot of it had to do with GM having two-three times the number of brands that their competition had, while having the same market share. They also use more union labor, and have to pay full salaries to workers displaced by automation. A lot of stuff like that, basically they’re hemorrhaging money and are in dire need of restructuring. Don’t know about the actual cars, never owned a domestic. this is very true, a lot of the hit has to do with the workers being overpayed, i have a close friend that works for GM and personally i think he is paid way to much for what he does, the sad part of it is that he does not skilled at what he does but because they are union, he gets his money, but whatever. The union has made people pay way to much for work in other companies also that arent failing, but it is a part of the failing of the big three, which all have union workers ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/52 "2008-11-25T07:32:15Z")
> [@plaf713](#): > > this is very true, a lot of the hit has to do with the workers being overpayed, i have a close friend that works for GM and personally i think he is paid way to much for what he does, the sad part of it is that he does not skilled at what he does but because they are union, he gets his money, but whatever. The union has made people pay way to much for work in other companies also that arent failing, but it is a part of the failing of the big three, which all have union workers werd! Unions are a big problem. Thats why Grand Union went under back in the day. Some cashiers were getting $17+ and hour. :eek ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/53 "2008-11-25T07:33:58Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > :lol I think America sucks because I posted some sources of GM’s financial #s? I guess given those #s, a lot of people feel the same. You’re a nut :nuts LOL, no, not at all. This statement was based on your lifetime achievement award. You have spewed hated for a very long time, but somewhow we all come to appreciate that in you. :nod :ssh ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/54 "2008-11-25T07:35:18Z")
> [@Jammer](#): > > LOL, no, not at all. This statement was based on your lifetime achievement award. You have spewed hated fro a very long time, but somewhow we all come to appreciate that in you. :nod :ssh No hate. I’ve already said I’ve voted your party in the past. Just disgusted with your party right now. Maybe they will change? Probably not given some in your party want Palin to run for President. :lol ---
**Author:** ![plaf713](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@plaf713](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/plaf713)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/55 "2008-11-25T07:35:44Z")
how rediculous is that, my other friend does duct work for the union, hes a great guy but a retard, barely passed high school and he makes 22 bucks an hour and has only been working for a couple years, he gets paid to drive there, he does whatever he wants because no one will fire him, IMHO the union blows, and i apologize to anyone thats in it but it isnt fair ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/56 "2008-11-25T07:36:20Z")
> [@plaf713](#): > > how rediculous is that, my other friend does duct work for the union, hes a great guy but a retard, barely passed high school and he makes 22 bucks an hour and has only been working for a couple years, he gets paid to drive there, he does whatever he wants because no one will fire him, IMHO the union blows, and i apologize to anyone thats in it but it isnt fair :shifty what’s his first name ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/57 "2008-11-25T07:36:34Z")
pm me if you like, I think I know who you’re talking about :rofl ---
**Author:** ![plaf713](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@plaf713](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/plaf713)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/58 "2008-11-25T07:36:49Z")
> [@BENNYFIZZLE](#): > > :shifty > > what’s his first name you tell me :umm ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/59 "2008-11-25T07:37:51Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > Nothing but love. 🙂 > > Use all that money hidden under your bed and buy a sense of humor. Pants can’t seem to figure out that GM was criticized for pushing their light truck/SUV division right during the major gas price increase and pushing products that the market wasn’t buying. The 8MPG was joke a tongue-n-cheek comment. Get your panties out of your ass and lighten up. 🙂 > > Most of the members on here have a hard time formulating a post without being filled with typos and invalid grammar so getting into deep thoughts such as complicated quarterly profit/loss seemed to be pushing it. :lol > > Your loyalty to fellow domestic fanbois is admirable. I didn’t notice you organize the troops and attack based on the “GM builds superior… blah blah” comment but a the Tahoe/8MPG joke crosses Jammer’s line. :nono Call it a Joke all you want, but you based your entire argument on that “joke”, making your argument a joke. Why , why son, must you spend such valuable energy on your adgenda, whatever that may be. :nono ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370/60 "2008-11-25T07:41:53Z")
> [@Jammer](#): > > Call it a Joke all you want, but you based your entire argument on that “joke”, making your argument a joke. Why , why son, must you spend such valuable energy on your adgenda, whatever that may be. :nono This isn’t rocket science Jammer. Let’s reiterate the flow because you are old. PantsParty made ignorant comment about how GM is superior I responded with financial stats supporting their near bankruptcy Your domestic fanboi lover responded that it’s because of the Economy which is false. I also stated some of the common arguments regarding their Light Truck / SUV division. This is not an “agenda” but valid statements. Again, all the effort to invalidate what I say which is based on true financial data but none regarding the bullshit about how GM is suffering due to economy turn down. It’s funny watching you go out on a limb for your fellow GOPers. Keep fighting the cause :lol [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-is-the-ruler-of-the-free-world/240370.md?page=4)