# GM on strike as of 11am **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [September 24, 2007, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866 "2007-09-24T10:02:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2007, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/41 "2007-09-24T19:32:41Z")
[quote=“Daddie,post:32,topic:35866"”] Tell me why people with phds make 50K a year doing extensive bio research to cure cancer. [/quote] because they’re grossly underpaid and/or went into the wrong field? the day i got my phd to make less money than i could have made at an entry level job with a bs in accounting or finance, a lot easier than science, is the day i’d have to kick my own ass ---
**Author:** ![Shockwave179](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shockwave179/32/7496_2.png) [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2007, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/42 "2007-09-24T20:39:12Z")
Don’t know if it’s really true or not but taken from LS1TECH. > [@NHRAMAN](#): > > 3 Plants will be closed in Ontario, Canada, tommorow also…2 in Oshawa, and 1 in Windsor…also, Magna Corp, Canada, which is the single largest maker of Automotive parts, for the big 3, will be shutting down…about 100,000 workers…combined… ---
**Author:** ![1BADGPGT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1badgpgt/32/5123_2.png) [@1BADGPGT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1BADGPGT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 6:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/43 "2007-09-25T06:32:07Z")
…cripes if finding a job now is hard… ---
**Author:** ![TORQDSS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/torqdss/32/5125_2.png) [@TORQDSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TORQDSS)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/44 "2007-09-25T06:48:04Z")
the strike will last a few hours and they will be done. this happens evrytime the contract is up. besides if GM goes under my whole family is screwed because god knows the toyota and ford dealerships aren’t big enough to support all of us. you guys do realize Chevy is ahead of ford and toyota trucks by 90,000 units this year and the cars aren’t far behind toyota, ford is just plain getting there ass kicked by GM ---
**Author:** ![93dx\_hatch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/90ced4/32.png) [@93dx\_hatch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/93dx_hatch)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 7:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/45 "2007-09-25T07:03:00Z")
[quote=“TORQDSS,post:44,topic:35866"”] besides if GM goes under my whole family is screwed because god knows the toyota and ford dealerships aren’t big enough to support all of us. [/quote] just find a job somewhere else ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/46 "2007-09-25T07:04:16Z")
[quote=“93dx–hatch,post:45,topic:35866"”] just find a job somewhere else [/quote] :lol: ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/47 "2007-09-25T07:16:52Z")
[quote=“93dx–hatch,post:45,topic:35866"”] just find a job somewhere else [/quote] Yeah, just make a post **TITLE:** WTFind: Job **BODY:** Skills: none Deisired salary range: 80-100K ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/48 "2007-09-25T07:19:42Z")
You guys realize he doesn’t work at the GM plant? ---
**Author:** ![93dx\_hatch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/90ced4/32.png) [@93dx\_hatch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/93dx_hatch)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/49 "2007-09-25T07:23:31Z")
^ I have no idea where he works, ---
**Author:** ![Anonymity](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/anonymity/32/7215_2.png) [@Anonymity](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Anonymity)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/50 "2007-09-25T07:25:16Z")
buy american to support the union. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/51 "2007-09-25T07:30:16Z")
[quote=“FormulaLS1,post:48,topic:35866"”] You guys realize he doesn’t work at the GM plant? [/quote] regardless, my joke still applies to all the UAW workers. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/52 "2007-09-25T07:56:59Z")
[quote=“Anonymity,post:50,topic:35866"”] buy american to support the union. [/quote] Socialism at its finest. :tdown: ---
**Author:** ![NYstanger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6a8cbe/32.png) [@NYstanger](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/NYstanger)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/53 "2007-09-25T08:52:54Z")
GM wants the Union to take over health care. Which from my understanding is fine to them. But the Union wants guaranteed work here in America. GM apparently is unwilling to promise anything right now. The Union can’t afford to pay for health care if GM out sources more jobs and makes the UAW membership smaller. Less people = less money they make to afford it. ---
**Author:** ![King](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/king/32/7329_2.png) [@King](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/King)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/54 "2007-09-25T08:53:51Z")
[quote=“93dx–hatch,post:49,topic:35866"”] ^ I have no idea where he works, [/quote] me either but his family started basil chevrolet - good thing they do sell toyotas too ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/55 "2007-09-25T08:55:06Z")
[quote=“JayS,post:27,topic:35866"”] GM actually turned a profit in the last quarter of 06 so I’m sure the UAW is using that as a big indicator that GM can afford to give them more. As anti-union as I am when it comes to county and state government I can at least see a place for it in the private sector. We all know that if GM didn’t have a big union fighting against them every single GM product would be made in China or India. Toyota isn’t building cars here because it wants to help provide American jobs, it’s doing to to get around import tariffs that were putting them at a big disadvantage when it came to pricing. Of course, when you have an entity as powerful as the UAW that power corrupts and you get union demands that mean GM isn’t a viable entity. Even though GM going bust would be the end of all those jobs for those very union members they don’t care, and they just expect the government to jump in and bail GM out if it comes to that. Things like huge pension plans and health care for life stopped being a part of non-union private sector jobs a long time ago. UAW workers should have to plan for their retirement the same way the rest of us do and until they do that it’s hard to blame these problems on GM corporate. And enough with the bullshit union line about “it’s all because of CEO salaries”. CEO salaries are such a tiny part of GM’s budget it’s not even worth mentioning. It looks great when you can point to some guy who made 2 million in a year, and it makes the knuckledraggers rally behind their UAW rep, but it’s not the problem. [/quote] Just my $0.02… 1. there’s no tarriff on autos made abroad, just trucks. IIRC, the closest we came was in '95, when we were going to tax @ 100% all luxury imports from Japan, but that was resolved. 2. Toyota’s already bitching about the cost of manufacturing in the US as well… though that’s not as well publicized. I’m sure that if the UAW is successful in unionizing one of their shops, they’d be outta here in an instant. ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/56 "2007-09-25T08:56:32Z")
[quote=“NYstanger,post:53,topic:35866"”] GM wants the Union to take over health care. Which from my understanding is fine to them. But the Union wants guaranteed work here in America. GM apparently is unwilling to promise anything right now. The Union can’t afford to pay for health care if GM out sources more jobs and makes the UAW membership smaller. Less people = less money they make to afford it. [/quote] Except that the UAW has already mandated that GM pay the cost to set up the fund **up front**. After that, it’s gravy… fewer members = less liabilities for the fund. ---
**Author:** ![drvnkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drvnkd/32/109615_2.png) [@drvnkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drvnkd)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/57 "2007-09-25T09:05:53Z")
[quote=“newman,post:47,topic:35866"”] Yeah, just make a post **TITLE:** WTFind: Job **BODY:** Skills: none Deisired salary range: 80-100K [/quote] forgot: willing to work 70-80hrs/week. my dad works at the plant. he’s an electrician on the ecotech line. we was working 84hrs a week. now just before the strike, it was ~45. ---
**Author:** ![1BADGPGT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1badgpgt/32/5123_2.png) [@1BADGPGT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1BADGPGT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/58 "2007-09-25T11:10:29Z")
“working” is loosely thrown around at any GM plant. 😉 They are “at” work for alot of hours…but dont do 40-80hrs worth of work. Thats a fact. ESP. the skilled trade. ---
**Author:** ![Anonymity](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/anonymity/32/7215_2.png) [@Anonymity](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Anonymity)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/59 "2007-09-25T11:58:07Z")
[quote=“BikerFry,post:52,topic:35866"”] Socialism at its finest. :tdown: [/quote] i do not understand your thought pattern on this. > **[Socialism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism)** > > Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership. It describes the economic, political, and social theories and movements associated with the implementation of such systems. Social ownership can take various forms, including public, community, collective, cooperative, or employee. Traditionally, socialism is on the left Socialist systems divide into... unions have had thier place, now it is time to move on. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866/60 "2007-09-25T12:04:12Z")
> [@unions](#): > > Buy our stuff, not because it’s the best, but because it would help us out. > [@Wikipedia's first line on Socialism](#): > > Socialism refers to a broad array of doctrines or political movements that envisage a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community for the purposes of increasing social and economic equality and cooperation. Get it? Spending your money based on who needs your money the most, rather than who has the most to offer to you, is pure socialism. Socialism is a nice idea, but it doesn’t work. It just enables those who produce an inferior product to continue to do so until ultimately natural selection weeds them out. Hence the current state of the American auto industry. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gm-on-strike-as-of-11am/35866.md?page=4)