# GM's Answer to the Raptor???? **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 22, 2010, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486 "2010-12-22T09:53:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![danhr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@danhr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/danhr)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2010, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486/21 "2010-12-26T07:21:10Z")
> [@danhr](#): > > so they are fun to jump… but you haven’t jumped one? > > you realize this is equivilant to a virgin saying that sex is the greatest thing ever, **after watching a bunch of porn** right? fixed for booger… because he watched a video ---
**Author:** ![Cheeks](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cheeks/32/5930_2.png) [@Cheeks](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cheeks)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2010, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486/22 "2010-12-26T07:42:23Z")
> [@SK360](#): > > Judging by these videos, I can make an educated guess that these owners are not having a bad time. > > [https://youtu.be/D293JE35vPE](https://youtu.be/D293JE35vPE) > > [https://youtu.be/asZNkQDJ3Ys](https://youtu.be/asZNkQDJ3Ys) > > I’m just sayin. so you’re ASSUMING its fun to jump then based off of what you’ve seen on the internet, we’ve all seen how well thats worked out in the past ---
**Author:** ![bgblockelcamino](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bgblockelcamino/32/5997_2.png) [@bgblockelcamino](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bgblockelcamino)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2010, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486/23 "2010-12-26T08:07:13Z")
used to jump my ford ranger all the time. nothing new lol. ---
**Author:** ![Zack01GC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a183cd/32.png) [@Zack01GC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zack01GC)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2010, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486/24 "2010-12-26T11:17:41Z")
> [@tjZ28](#): > > Why is everybody comparing this thing to the Raptor. The idea with a truck like this would **NOT** be to compete with the Raptor. The Raptor **IS THE TOY ITSELF** whereas this is meant to **TOW YOUR TOYS WHEN THAT MEANS TOWING OFFROAD**. For example, go see [my post here](http://www.pittspeed.com/showthread.php?200670-post-your-latest-purchase&p=3148020&viewfull=1#post3148020). When we go and camp to run these things we go way off the pavement. With a big trailer (like my enclosed, not the open my rail is on in that post) sometimes you need to carry some speed through some rough stuff… stock HDs don’t do too well at that. > > **THIS IS NOT “GM’S ANSWER TO THE RAPTOR” IT IS GM’S ANSWER TO A REAL WORLD NEED THAT GUYS LIKE I HAVE** The Raptor on the other hand really answers no need. It’s not really capable as a pre-runner or in the dunes, it can’t really tow, etc. I guess it answers the question “Yo BRO-TATO I just got a hella sick flat-brim Monster hat, what truck should I buy to match it!?!?!?!” > > I really don’t care if you don’t like how my truck looks… you suck on '84 German cocks. But if GM is shitting out the new LML Duramax then I don’t even want to know how Ford is failing it up big enough to have better #s (400/800 vs. 397/765 HP/TQ for Ford and GM respectively) yet get their fucking taints handed to them in the real world. > > [http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/11/chevy-vs-ford-in-heavy-duty-rumble-in-the-rockies.html](http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/11/chevy-vs-ford-in-heavy-duty-rumble-in-the-rockies.html) > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrqyXRGPd00&playnext=1&list=PL5BB9CC4895269C83&index=78](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrqyXRGPd00&playnext=1&list=PL5BB9CC4895269C83&index=78) > > -TJ I said it was ugly, I don’t really care which is more capable or powerful. I didn’t say your truck in particular is ugly… 99.9% of what GM makes now is ugly, not just what you own. Don’t get your GM-owning panties in a twist ---
**Author:** ![Cheeks](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cheeks/32/5930_2.png) [@Cheeks](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cheeks)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2010, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486/25 "2010-12-26T11:39:16Z")
> [@tjZ28](#): > > BTW, I’d honestly expect it to be far north of $55k… all of the big 3 Diesels are $60k+ already with the crew cab, 4x4, and the top trim level. Whether or not you think it’s “worth” that much I guess is up to you. > > And what scares you about IFS? Ask any Dodge HD owner how often they have to rebuild their whole front ends and you’ll see solid axles aren’t necessarily immune to problems. GM just beefed up the entire IFS on the '11 HDs. > > :love: u 2 > > -TJ I do a fair bit of offroading ( ie A LOT) the gm hd’s that I DO see coming offroad, generally don’t last very long doing so, the IFS is weak, NOT something I’d want under my offroad rig let alone my tow rig. 90% of the top rock racers/offroaders are still using solid front axles, they must be for a reason, they just last. Chryslers front ends use the junk vacuum assist axles, they’ve had problems with them for years, next time you take your new truck into the dealership for work, ask them what the BIGGEST complaint/problem is for their HD trucks, all the techs will tell you the IFS just doesn’t last, couple that with a heavier/more powerful diesel motor and thats a recipe for disaster. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2010, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486/26 "2010-12-27T07:46:46Z")
> [@Cheeks](#): > > I do a fair bit of offroading ( ie A LOT) > > the gm hd’s that I DO see coming offroad, generally don’t last very long doing so, the IFS is weak, NOT something I’d want under my offroad rig let alone my tow rig. 90% of the top rock racers/offroaders are still using solid front axles, they must be for a reason, they just last. Chryslers front ends use the junk vacuum assist axles, they’ve had problems with them for years, next time you take your new truck into the dealership for work, ask them what the BIGGEST complaint/problem is for their HD trucks, all the techs will tell you the IFS just doesn’t last, couple that with a heavier/more powerful diesel motor and thats a recipe for disaster. TJ has already spoken. Go sit in the corner. ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2010, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486/27 "2010-12-28T08:52:17Z")
> [@Darkstar](#): > > TJ has already spoken. Go sit in the corner. TJ is a hippie from California who has his head up GM’s ass. It’s a given fact that a liberal homo like him wouldn’t mind buying from a government owned car company and not supporting another option. Ford\>GM\>Dodge, it has been this way for decades and it is not going to change anytime soon. His opinion is pretty much worthless. :love: This truck from GM looks neat though. I really hate the boxed in fender flares on the GM trucks though, they look horrible. And I can’t get used to the interior, they look and feel like complete shit ( And coming from someone who owns a Crown Vic, that says a lot 🙂 ). I do agree that is is not a competitor to the Raptor though. The Raptor looks to be built for So-Cal people and this truck looks to be built for ???. It has a shitty duramax and is a lifted truck, what the fuck is it good for? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![fshowcars](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fshowcars/32/5937_2.png) [@fshowcars](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fshowcars)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2010, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486/28 "2010-12-28T12:23:11Z")
agreed that TJ sucks too many dicks to have valid opinions. GM’s are absolute garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 6:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486/29 "2011-01-11T06:32:41Z")
Chrysler’s answer: ![http://cache-02.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2011/01/dodge_ram_runner_3.jpg](http://cache-02.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2011/01/dodge_ram_runner_3.jpg) ![http://cache-04.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2011/01/dodge_ram_runner_2.jpg](http://cache-04.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2011/01/dodge_ram_runner_2.jpg) ![http://cache-04.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2011/01/dodge_ram_runner_4.jpg](http://cache-04.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2011/01/dodge_ram_runner_4.jpg) ![http://cache-04.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2011/01/dodge_ram_runner_6.jpg](http://cache-04.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2011/01/dodge_ram_runner_6.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![tjZ28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@tjZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tjZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486/30 "2011-01-15T00:33:44Z")
> [@Cheeks](#): > > I do a fair bit of offroading ( ie A LOT) > > the gm hd’s that I DO see coming offroad, generally don’t last very long doing so, the IFS is weak, NOT something I’d want under my offroad rig let alone my tow rig. 90% of the top rock racers/offroaders are still using solid front axles, they must be for a reason, they just last. Chryslers front ends use the junk vacuum assist axles, they’ve had problems with them for years, next time you take your new truck into the dealership for work, ask them what the BIGGEST complaint/problem is for their HD trucks, all the techs will tell you the IFS just doesn’t last, couple that with a heavier/more powerful diesel motor and thats a recipe for disaster. I’ve done a LOT of offroading too. Again, the point of this truck is not to be a rock crawler or trail rig. It’s meant to TOW your rock crawler or trail rig to the destination which sometimes means towing through sand, dirt roads etc. It’s not meant for the Rubicon or King of the Hammers. I have tons of friends w/ diesels from all of the big 3. Dodge guys have far and away the most front-end issues. I will say the Ford solid axles seem much better and seem to have the least trouble. GM’s IFS slots in somewhere between. That said, the entire chassis and front suspension was beefed up for '11 so we’ll see how they do. Would I want to jump or seriously offroad ANY of the big three HDs? No. Do my friends that tow heavy and often including to offroad destinations have any IFS issues w/ their GMs? No. > [@Darkstar](#): > > TJ has already spoken. Go sit in the corner. QFT. > [@77rednecktruck](#): > > TJ is a hippie from California who has his head up GM’s ass. It’s a given fact that a liberal homo like him wouldn’t mind buying from a government owned car company and not supporting another option. Ford\>GM\>Dodge, it has been this way for decades and it is not going to change anytime soon. His opinion is pretty much worthless. :love: > > This truck from GM looks neat though. I really hate the boxed in fender flares on the GM trucks though, they look horrible. And I can’t get used to the interior, they look and feel like complete shit ( And coming from someone who owns a Crown Vic, that says a lot 🙂 ). I do agree that is is not a competitor to the Raptor though. The Raptor looks to be built for So-Cal people and this truck looks to be built for ???. It has a shitty duramax and is a lifted truck, what the fuck is it good for? 🙂 I considered thew new Ford to stay away from Government Motors, honestly. The issue is a) I think their ugly (that new grill is insane) b) the upline interiors (i.e. King Ranch) are ugly c) the 6.7 is unproven and Ford’s diesel track record is horrible. Looks are subjective, I like the box fenders. I agree for an expensive truck the interior could be better, but I definitely don’t think it looks or feels like shit. It could be nicer, but they also have to make it durable and easy to clean for those of us that actually use their trucks like trucks. As for what the truck in this thread is good for, read my previous posts ya lazy fuck. It’s for people who TOW their toys on rough terrain. And how the fuck is the Duramax shitty? Despite lower power #s than Ford’s 6.7 it kicks the ever loving shit out of the Ford in real world testing and it’s been around and proven for over a decade. > [@fshowcars](#): > > agreed that TJ sucks too many dicks to have valid opinions. > > GM’s are absolute garbage. Go drive a VW douche fister. > [@Onyx Z32](#): > > Chrysler’s answer: To the Raptor, yes. It looks to be a 1500 gasser so it’d be in direct competition with the Raptor, not this GMC. -TJ ---
**Author:** ![amwellls1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/35a633/32.png) [@amwellls1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/amwellls1)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486/31 "2011-01-20T18:21:36Z")
> [@Cheeks"](#): > > [GMC Sierra All Terrain HD - going off-road, big time - paultan.org](http://paultan.org/2010/12/22/gmc-sierra-all-terrain-hd-concept-going-off-road-big-time/) > > ![http://assets6.paultan.org/image/sierra-1.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/3/6/36dec9a8e6387477a85d94f43b2bc038d1904a7d.jpeg) > > ![http://assets6.paultan.org/image/sierra-2.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/d/0/d0e77889832e164634d8ad4a6824443f42eb4933.jpeg) > > Not bad, but not worth the 55k they’ll probably be asking for it. Plus, IFS scares me in a heavy duty pickup, always has I like ---
**Author:** ![Quik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/quik/32/5979_2.png) [@Quik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quik)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486/32 "2011-01-22T07:55:28Z")
arent trophy trucks IFS arent military vehicles IFS for the dunes? IFS does work when used for what its intended and rides a hell alot better then that SFA. Hardcore rock wheeling yes need SFA. SFA has its place, IFS has its place IFS rides a hell lot better on street where 95% of vehicles spend their lives, for the 5% that go offroading can upgrade as they need to for their application > [@Cheeks](#): > > I do a fair bit of offroading ( ie A LOT) > > the gm hd’s that I DO see coming offroad, generally don’t last very long doing so, the IFS is weak, NOT something I’d want under my offroad rig let alone my tow rig. 90% of the top rock racers/offroaders are still using solid front axles, they must be for a reason, they just last. Chryslers front ends use the junk vacuum assist axles, they’ve had problems with them for years, next time you take your new truck into the dealership for work, ask them what the BIGGEST complaint/problem is for their HD trucks, all the techs will tell you the IFS just doesn’t last, couple that with a heavier/more powerful diesel motor and thats a recipe for disaster. ---
**Author:** ![NYstanger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6a8cbe/32.png) [@NYstanger](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/NYstanger)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486/33 "2011-01-27T22:11:16Z")
Front end reminds me of previous gen f350s ---
**Author:** ![tjZ28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@tjZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tjZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 4:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486/34 "2011-01-29T04:37:36Z")
> [@Quik](#): > > arent trophy trucks IFS arent military vehicles IFS for the dunes? IFS does work when used for what its intended and rides a hell alot better then that SFA. Hardcore rock wheeling yes need SFA. SFA has its place, IFS has its place > IFS rides a hell lot better on street where 95% of vehicles spend their lives, for the 5% that go offroading can upgrade as they need to for their application Yup. SFA is really only for extreme wheeling. Even those of us who tow off road don’t need SFA. SFA’s big advantage is articulation. If you’re towing somewhere that you need the articulation of SFA you’re trailer is probably already on it’s side in a million pieces. Yes, the simplicity and durability of SFAs are generally considered better, but again look at the rebuild intervals on Dodge SFAs and you can see that it’s all about the quality of the particular system, not just the basic architecture (IFS vs. SFA). Humvees are IFS (and IRS) and so are the new [M-ATVs](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshkosh_M-ATV). I see these things running all over Afghanistan, and people put their lives on the line counting on the durability of those rigs. > [@NYstanger](#): > > Front end reminds me of previous gen f350s I can see that a bit. -TJ ---
**Author:** ![Quik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/quik/32/5979_2.png) [@Quik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quik)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486/35 "2011-01-29T06:38:12Z")
exactly but when you try to tel these ppl that they dont want to hear it. Majority of military vehicles weigh a hell of lot more then those wheelin buggies and the IFS takes it like a champ. To say one is better then the other for everything is incorrect, each have their place and advantages > [@tjZ28](#): > > Yup. SFA is really only for extreme wheeling. Even those of us who tow off road don’t need SFA. SFA’s big advantage is articulation. If you’re towing somewhere that you need the articulation of SFA you’re trailer is probably already on it’s side in a million pieces. Yes, the simplicity and durability of SFAs are generally considered better, but again look at the rebuild intervals on Dodge SFAs and you can see that it’s all about the quality of the particular system, not just the basic architecture (IFS vs. SFA). Humvees are IFS (and IRS) and so are the new [M-ATVs](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshkosh_M-ATV). I see these things running all over Afghanistan, and people put their lives on the line counting on the durability of those rigs. > > ![http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Mine_resistant_ambush_protected_ATV.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/5/a/5ac1f8b73cb2e30e4bef2c546c79a56e0721221b.jpeg) > > I can see that a bit. > > -TJ ---
**Author:** ![tjZ28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@tjZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tjZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486/36 "2011-01-30T00:12:48Z")
> [@Quik](#): > > exactly but when you try to tel these ppl that they dont want to hear it. Majority of military vehicles weigh a hell of lot more then those wheelin buggies and the IFS takes it like a champ. To say one is better then the other for everything is incorrect, each have their place and advantages Or you have something like my sand car: ![http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t252/tjZ06/Rail/IMG_0649.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/3/c/3cd4a7b14a1256261f2e1cdc2a9a654f7bed7435.jpeg) It’s built to go fast on the sand and jump. Sand is not smooth of course, it’s usually really rutted and has “whoops” in it. Wheel travel and very little unsprung weight (so that the suspension can react very quickly) are more important than articulation. And don’t think there’s not a lot of strength built into the IFS on that thing either. It takes a serious beating doing 3rd or 4th gear pinned through the whoops. -TJ ---
**Author:** ![tpgsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tpgsr/32/7374_2.png) [@tpgsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tpgsr)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486/37 "2011-02-02T06:51:27Z")
You have some serious toys. I am sort of jealous. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gms-answer-to-the-raptor/207486.md?page=1)