# Going MAFless **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [May 6, 2006, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/going-mafless/182087 "2006-05-06T20:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![German\_with\_a\_Bowtie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/german_with_a_bowtie/32/5967_2.png) [@German\_with\_a\_Bowtie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/German_with_a_Bowtie)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/going-mafless/182087/1 "2006-05-06T20:15:52Z")
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**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/going-mafless/182087/2 "2006-05-06T20:19:36Z")
the dsm version still uses a maf it’s not speed density (although i think a couple people have been using the maft pro but with dsmlink there are very few out there) don’t know if the dsmers will be much help with the maft ---
**Author:** ![vw16vcabby](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vw16vcabby/32/5943_2.png) [@vw16vcabby](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vw16vcabby)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/going-mafless/182087/3 "2006-05-06T23:12:10Z")
400 bucks for the system, and figure 100 bucks in add ins… what i dont see is how it is a true speed density w/o using a water temp sesnor. usually speed density uses air temp and water temp sensors. i’d say pick up an sds system if u want a cheap speed density setup. or even holley commander 950 as your gm sensors are wire in compatible and the holley can be had for same price as sds w/o having to wire in a haul sender setup. i know the holley has a base map in it for a turbo buick. sds will set up a base to get you running, but at same time it is so easy to tune that a night of making 119 runs with a wideband you would be good to go. dont know how hard the holley is to tune, but so far i havent had any problems on initial startup.