# Good pro gun video **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 9, 2009, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051 "2009-01-09T23:06:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![n20junkie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/n20junkie/32/7396_2.png) [@n20junkie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/n20junkie)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/21 "2009-01-10T16:42:41Z")
> [@ILC](#): > > So how about everyone has a carry permit and a handgun on them at all times. > > Sounds alot like the wild west. Might as well settle all disputes with a showdown at high noon. There is a town in the US that has manditory gun ownership for every house. Guess where the lowest crime rates in the country are? States that have WILL ISSUE handgun permits, guess where the lower crime rates are? DC, NYC, Philly, Chicago all have tough gun laws, how is the crime in those areas? So stop being emotional, and use facts to support your silly ideas. ---
**Author:** ![n20junkie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/n20junkie/32/7396_2.png) [@n20junkie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/n20junkie)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/22 "2009-01-10T16:44:48Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > There are many parts of the Bill of Rights that have been limited over time: You can’t scream FIRE in a crowded area, the federal gov’t has taken on a lot of responsibility that goes against the reserve clause, due process has been suspended on certain cases, freedom of religion isn’t completely protected. > > The second amendment was placed for the protection of the people in case of indian attack and the threat of a european country trying to invade. We did not have a standing army. We did not have a navy. We were wide open for attack and relied heavily on privately funded state militias for protection. Since the gov’t had no money to raise and train an army it was necessary to make sure the populace was armed incase of invasion and a militia needed to be formed. > > I have read my history, thats what my Masters is in, American History, with a concentration and thesis in American Constitutional Historiography. > > You should try reading your history, and I don’t just mean your high school textbook, since those haven’t really been written by historians for decades. > > Go to UB Lockwood Library and pickup American Political Tradition by Joseph Hofstader or E Pluribus Unum by Forest McDonald. Noted and respected historians in American political thought. Show me another one of the ammendments in the BOR where you have to pay to exercise your right via licensing? ---
**Author:** ![n20junkie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/n20junkie/32/7396_2.png) [@n20junkie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/n20junkie)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/23 "2009-01-10T16:50:43Z")
```php ``` > [@StrokedZ28](#): > > The Second Amendment is not about your right to protect yourself from the Government. Who is in the Militia ? During the drafting of the consitution, it was 16-60. There were standing Army’s then. Why would every man have to be part of a military force, if we had an army? Did the British, who were our rulers try to force us to do things we didn’t want to via threat of death? Did we stop this with our own firearms? So we took arms against our governing body when they stopped caring about us, and then we created a new government. This new governmet was spelled out, and the first change to it we gave ourselves a formal group of people (formal as in age, regulated during the times of the BOR ment “trained” not made illegal by laws) that should always be ready to take up arms? These creators of our government made men be part of this group so we could shoot targets on formal gun ranges, kill deer during hunting season, and for other “sporting purposes”. Seems that the idea was a little bigger than what the Brady Campaign would let you believe. Oh, I hear MSNBC is giving away free koolaid too. ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/24 "2009-01-10T16:55:11Z")
> [@n20junkie](#): > > Who is in the Militia ? During the drafting of the consitution, it was 16-60. > > There were standing Army’s then. Why would every man have to be part of a military force, if we had an army? > > Did the British, who were our rulers try to force us to do things we didn’t want to via threat of death? > > Did we stop this with our own firearms? > > So we took arms against our governing body when they stopped caring about us, and then we created a new government. This new governmet was spelled out, and the first change to it we gave ourselves a formal group of people (formal as in age, regulated during the times of the BOR ment “trained” not made illegal by laws) that should always be ready to take up arms? > > These creators of our government made men be part of this group so we could shoot targets on formal gun ranges, kill deer during hunting season, and for other “sporting purposes”. > > Seems that the idea was a little bigger than what the Brady Campaign would let you believe. > > Oh, I hear MSNBC is giving away free koolaid too. Shhh He is the expert. He knows all :tinfoilhat: ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/25 "2009-01-10T19:29:22Z")
> [@n20junkie](#): > > ```php > > ``` > > Who is in the Militia ? During the drafting of the consitution, it was 16-60. > > There were standing Army’s then. Why would every man have to be part of a military force, if we had an army? > > During the drafting of the Constitution there was barely any standing army due to the fact that it could not be financed. Many of the problems that happened after the war had to do with debt, we could not afford a regular army like the ones England and France regularly had. In fact we owed substantial amounts of money to the soldiers who fought in the war. How could we have a substantial standing army if we could not pay the men who have already fought? > > Did the British, who were our rulers try to force us to do things we didn’t want to via threat of death? > > No they didn’t in fact it wasn’t until Lexington and Concord with the arrest warrants of Sam Adams and John Handcock that we felt actually threatened. Even after Lexinton and Concord many were calling for an end to hostilities on both sides. > > Did we stop this with our own firearms? > > Yes we did use a lot of our own firearms, except for artillery > > So we took arms against our governing body when they stopped caring about us, and then we created a new government. This new governmet was spelled out, and the first change to it we gave ourselves a formal group of people (formal as in age, regulated during the times of the BOR ment “trained” not made illegal by laws) that should always be ready to take up arms? > > If you want to get technical, the states under the Second Amendment reserve the right to have their own militias, to be financed by themselves, this however could not be used to wage war as that is a right reserved for the executive and legislative branches of the federal government only in the defense of the state by either domestic rebellion or outside invasion. > > These creators of our government made men be part of this group so we could shoot targets on formal gun ranges, kill deer during hunting season, and for other “sporting purposes”. > > No, while hunting was obviously a major part of life back then, that was not their chief concern, they wanted to make sure that no future legislation by the state or the federal government could prohibit the right to own firearms. > > With that said it should also be noted that the firearms that existed at the time were at best only to be shot 3 times a min, not the hundreds of rounds a min that is capable by a fully automatic weapon. Gun related crimes during colonial times were scarce do to the fact that the weapons were cumbersome > > Oh, I hear MSNBC is giving away free koolaid too. > > I’m not a fan of MSNBC, with Rachel Maddow now having her own show this network has become nothing more than the liberal equivalent of FOX, I’ll stick to my CNN and BBC thank you. The founding fathers did not admit the second amendment for the protection of the people by our own government. There is absolutely no evidence of that argument. This is a fabricated nonsense brought on by those who feel threatened by our government. Again, if the government were to become despotic then what good would the Bill Of Rights be? Its not like the government is going to say you have the right to shoot us if you don’t like us. For the record, and this is like the 10th time I have said it, I’m not against owning pistols, rifles or shotguns, but I draw the line with weapons whose only design and purpose is that of war and that would be fully automatic. We should not be allowed to own those. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/26 "2009-01-10T19:29:49Z")
> [@JEG](#): > > Shhh He is the expert. He knows all :tinfoilhat: I know more than you but thats not hard. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/27 "2009-01-10T20:14:14Z")
> [@ILC](#): > > 1. Not everyone should be allowed to have a weapon. If gun ownership is a right, then it is a right. You cannot limit it to a certain group of people. ---
**Author:** ![Boomin99GT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boomin99gt/32/7306_2.png) [@Boomin99GT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boomin99GT)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/28 "2009-01-10T20:31:41Z")
In Vegas it’s just a background check and 48 hour cool down period to get a hand gun. It’s also legal to carry a loaded gun under the seat of your car because your car is considered part of your home. I try not to give anyone the finger when driving haha. ---
**Author:** ![bpipe95](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bpipe95/32/7294_2.png) [@bpipe95](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bpipe95)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/29 "2009-01-10T23:41:17Z")
> [@ILC](#): > > So how about everyone has a carry permit and a handgun on them at all times. > > Sounds alot like the wild west. Might as well settle all disputes with a showdown at high noon. there is a county in Georgia I think it is, that it is mandatory (with two exceptions) that when you become of age you get your pistol permit and you CC at all times. This county has the LOWEST crime rate in the US. exception 1: you are a felon. exception 2: you morally object. And to the shit brick that said he would “blow an intruders head off” I am willing to be if you were put in a high stress situation like that you would piss your self and fuck up in some large way. You can own a firearm all day long, without proper training owning a home defense firearm don’t mean shit. ---
**Author:** ![jt76](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jt76/32/5100_2.png) [@jt76](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jt76)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/30 "2009-01-11T01:28:48Z")
![http://www.dojgov.net/adolf_hitler_gun_control.gif](http://www.dojgov.net/adolf_hitler_gun_control.gif) ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/31 "2009-01-11T09:12:00Z")
What is the argument in this thread? That everyone should be allowed to carry a pistol? That people have the right to own fully automatics? I’m not for safe cities as I think that goes completely against the constitution but I do believe in background checks. I don’t believe a background check should take up to a year to do, but a two day waiting period shows that a true background check probably didn’t take place. It shouldn’t take more than a month to be issued or rejected a pistol permit. If you think that is too long then whatever. I don’t believe anyone has the right to own a fully automatic firearm. There needs to be a line drawn on what we as a society have a right to own given that the lethality of firearms is only going up. The arguments to own a machine gun are the same ones for owning a grenade launcher. Feel free to state your beliefs on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![jt76](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jt76/32/5100_2.png) [@jt76](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jt76)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/32 "2009-01-11T11:56:20Z")
As stated Firehawk853 is taking a pistol permit course tomorrow… it will probably be mid summer by the time he gets it, they have enough time to do whatever they want… but case in point, is chuck going to go shoot some n\*ggas up the block? No… is some piece of shit in the city that buys his gun out of the back of a donk caddy going to shoot someone? probably. Spend the money and time on police and actually crack down on these scum rather than harassing normal citizens who respect the law. ---
**Author:** ![turbociv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@turbociv](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/turbociv)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/33 "2009-01-11T12:47:36Z")
> [@jt76](#): > > As stated Firehawk853 is taking a pistol permit course tomorrow… it will probably be mid summer by the time he gets it, they have enough time to do whatever they want… but case in point, is chuck going to go shoot some n\*ggas up the block? No… is some piece of shit in the city that buys his gun out of the back of a donk caddy going to shoot someone? probably. Spend the money and time on police and actually crack down on these scum rather than harassing normal citizens who respect the law. pistol permits and right to carry are different things in our county i believe. I may be wrong. So, if someone is breaking into his home his pistol is just as good as a rifle or shotgun. The only way he can carry is if its locked up and not with in reach while transporting and using it at a fire range. So i dont realy see the point to owning a pistol unless you have a permit to carry. ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/34 "2009-01-11T13:10:12Z")
> [@turbociv](#): > > pistol permits and right to carry are different things in our county i believe. I may be wrong. So, if someone is breaking into his home his pistol is just as good as a rifle or shotgun. The only way he can carry is if its locked up and not with in reach while transporting and using it at a fire range. So i dont realy see the point to owning a pistol unless you have a permit to carry. Which is technicaly against our constituational right to bear arms…but oh well. Texas and Florida have right to carry laws where you can walk around in public with a handgun strapped to your belt for everyone to see. And guess what…much less crime. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/35 "2009-01-11T13:22:19Z")
> [@JEG](#): > > Which is technicaly against our constituational right to bear arms…but oh well. Texas and Florida have right to carry laws where you can walk around in public with a handgun strapped to your belt for everyone to see. And guess what…much less crime. Go figure. You can’t have an unconcealed weapon in Florida. And here are the following places you can’t bring a gun into: Sheriff’s Office, Police Station, Jail, Prison, Courthouse, Polling Place, any Governmental Judicial meeting, any school or college, lounges, bars, airports, professional athletic event, and any federal buildings or property. So as long as you in your car or on the street. Your safe. ---
**Author:** ![jt76](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jt76/32/5100_2.png) [@jt76](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jt76)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/36 "2009-01-11T13:24:16Z")
A pistol is much easier to wield than a rifle or shotgun… I would rather have a pistol on the nightstand than try to fumble around for a long gun. It shouldnt matter. I have no criminal record, hell i havent even gotten so much as a speeding ticket in my life, i should be able to carry a handgun. /argument. ---
**Author:** ![turbociv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@turbociv](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/turbociv)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/37 "2009-01-11T13:32:04Z")
idk, i think id rather a shotgun next to my night stand. If im waking up all groggy my aim probably isnt gunna be the greatest. A shot gun you can just point in the general direction and its alot scarier then a handgun. ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/38 "2009-01-11T13:34:07Z")
> [@jt76](#): > > A pistol is much easier to wield than a rifle or shotgun… I would rather have a pistol on the nightstand than try to fumble around for a long gun. It shouldnt matter. I have no criminal record, hell i havent even gotten so much as a speeding ticket in my life, i should be able to carry a handgun. /argument. The shotgun with a low brass load is the ultimate home defense weapon. It is devistating at close range, wont cause a ton of collateral damage (wont go through a wall, unline a larger caliber pistol which will go through the person, and the wall behind them). ---
**Author:** ![jt76](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jt76/32/5100_2.png) [@jt76](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jt76)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/39 "2009-01-11T13:54:16Z")
if were talking about this: ![http://www.autoburst.net/graphics/Rifles/Moss500.jpg](http://www.autoburst.net/graphics/Rifles/Moss500.jpg) then i agree… i was thinking of like full length hunting shotguns like i own. ---
**Author:** ![turbociv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@turbociv](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/turbociv)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051/40 "2009-01-11T13:57:16Z")
im talking about this. ![http://www.mossberg.com/images/Mossberg_Guns/930/New/51340.jpg](http://www.mossberg.com/images/Mossberg_Guns/930/New/51340.jpg) you know, just in case. :lol: [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-pro-gun-video/61051.md?page=3)