# Gov. Paterson does not like Fat people or Indians. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 15, 2008, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753 "2008-12-15T07:17:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/21 "2008-12-15T08:03:13Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > No arguments there. Sheldon Silver and Joe Bruno had a long-standing battle for NY’s biggest douche. It appears Silver wins now by default, although Bruno’s little buddy, Skelos, looks like Bruno taught him all he knew on the subject. At least before their douche on douche battle keep either one from spiraling things out of control. With Bruno gone and the last safety valve that was the Republican control of the senate removed this state is in deep shit. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/22 "2008-12-15T08:10:01Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Close the BS tax loophole that lets non-natives buy cigarettes tax free from a “sovereign nation” and bring them back to our and more people will be forced to quit smoking. I’m so tired of this stupid, “they’re a sovereign nation” argument because it makes no sense. Either you’re truly your own nation, in which case non-residents of your country pay duty on all purchases they bring back to the US, or you’re part of the US and charge sales tax. You don’t get to pick and choose when you’re a sovereign nation and when you’re part of the state. that’s the thing, it’s not and shoudn’t be their responsibility. Just like it shouldn’t be amazons or newegg’s responsibility to collect NY sales tax. I don’t know… I don’t generally agree with most taxes in general and it surprises me to hear a republican on board with this. Do you support the increase in sales tax to cigarettes? I assume because it doesn’t effect you? What if NY increased the tax on gasoline the same amount? I’m sure there would be a whole lot more bitching from both sides EDIT: or for a better/more equal example, alcohol tax. I’m sure everyone would be on board for doubling the price of alcohol. It’s bad for you and kills tens of thousands of people every year… I don’t really drink so who cares, right? 40.00 for a case of beer sounds reasonable ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/23 "2008-12-15T08:25:07Z")
Yes, I support any amount of tax they want to put on cigarettes. Double that amount for states like NY who socialize their health care via overly liberal medicaid policies. We all have to pay for the expensive care for these idiots who choose to smoke almost always require because of their decision to smoke. No amount of cigarette smoking is good for you, so let me throw that out there before people ask if I feel we should do the same thing with booze. Many studies have shown that moderate alcohol consumption is actually good for you. As for the, “Well it shouldn’t be the responsibility of the indians to collect the tax” argument. 1. It won’t be, because the tax will be collected at the wholesale level. 2. If they really want to be a sovereign nation and have nothing to do with our tax system several changes have to be made. 2A. No more US/NY tax dollars going to their schools, health care, infrastructure. 2B. Real borders need to be put up, just like we have with Canada and Mexico, so non-natives can be charged duty on their reservation purchases when they come back to the US. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/24 "2008-12-15T08:28:50Z")
I want to be a soverign nation from here on out. I will continue to use all government services, build a casino in my back yard, and sell a whole bunch of stuff out of my house to all of you Americans tax free, but I will no longer be paying taxes. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/25 "2008-12-15T08:30:50Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > I want to be a soverign nation from here on out. I will continue to use all government services, build a casino in my back yard, and sell a whole bunch of stuff out of my house to all of you Americans tax free, but I will no longer be paying taxes. I’m actually 1/4th Mohawk, on the tribal roles in [Akwesasne](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akwesasne). Maybe I should open up a tax free outlet in Williamsville and claim I’m a sovereign nation. Jaytoria FTW! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/26 "2008-12-15T08:32:22Z")
well, with that point said… they should be charging us tolls to drive through their land ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/27 "2008-12-15T08:35:56Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Yes, I support any amount of tax they want to put on cigarettes. Double that amount for states like NY who socialize their health care via overly liberal medicaid policies. We all have to pay for the expensive care for these idiots who choose to smoke almost always require because of their decision to smoke. No amount of cigarette smoking is good for you, so let me throw that out there before people ask if I feel we should do the same thing with booze. Many studies have shown that moderate alcohol consumption is actually good for you. > > As for the, “Well it shouldn’t be the responsibility of the indians to collect the tax” argument. > > 1. It won’t be, because the tax will be collected at the wholesale level. > > 2. If they really want to be a sovereign nation and have nothing to do with our tax system several changes have to be made. > 2A. No more US/NY tax dollars going to their schools, health care, infrastructure. > 2B. Real borders need to be put up, just like we have with Canada and Mexico, so non-natives can be charged duty on their reservation purchases when they come back to the US. Regardless of alcohol being good for you in moderation, how many millions of dollars in insurnace money is paid out anually from drunk driving accidents? Long as were saving a broken health care system money, might as well save insurance too ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/28 "2008-12-15T08:36:12Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > well, with that point said… they should be charging us tolls to drive through their land Sure, the day we stop paying for their roads, schools, health care and mountains of other assistance we provide their sovereign asses. > [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > Regardless for alcohol being good for you in moderation, how many millions of dollars in insurnace money is paid out anually from drunk driving accidents? Long as were saving a broken health care system money, might as well save insurance too I’m willing to bet far less than the insurance companies take in from the insanely high premiums charged to anyone who’s ever had a DWI/DWAI. And PS, bad example. The government doesn’t run the car insurance companies (at least not yet. Gobama isn’t in office yet). ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/29 "2008-12-15T08:39:16Z")
Last time we tried this the Senecas put up a sign on the Thruway reminding you that you are leaving the united states and entering a sovereign nation. What a sham. :cjerk: I wonder what they’ll do this time when we try to collect taxes on goods imported from their country? InB4TireBurning Hehe pop tax. Welcome to crazy world. They should tax candy too. And hookers. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/30 "2008-12-15T08:39:36Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > I’m actually 1/4th Mohawk, on the tribal roles in [Akwesasne](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akwesasne). Maybe I should open up a tax free outlet in Williamsville and claim I’m a sovereign nation. Jaytoria FTW! 🙂 :lol: :bigclap: ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/31 "2008-12-15T08:40:33Z")
I seriously want to get the f out of this State. In reality I will just continue to bitch and they will keep taking my money.:bloated: They seriously must laugh their asses off with every check they cash. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/32 "2008-12-15T08:41:43Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Sure, the day we stop paying for their roads, schools, health care and mountains of other assistance we provide their sovereign asses. > > I’m willing to bet far less than the insurance companies take in from the insanely high premiums charged to anyone who’s ever had a DWI/DWAI. > > And PS, bad example. The government doesn’t run the car insurance companies (at least not yet. Gobama isn’t in office yet). exactly, nor should they. They need to get rid of the social heath care, or reform it and, granted not state run that I know of, but health insrance companies are starting to charge higher premiums for smokers and other high riskers… same as car insurance. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/33 "2008-12-15T08:42:20Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > I seriously want to get the f out of this State. In reality I will just continue to bitch and they will keep taking my money.:bloated: They seriously must laugh their asses off with every check they cash. x11238023840204 ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/34 "2008-12-15T08:43:06Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > well, with that point said… they should be charging us tolls to drive through their land You haven’t read the treaty, have you? ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/35 "2008-12-15T08:43:07Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > I’m actually 1/4th Mohawk, on the tribal roles in [Akwesasne](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akwesasne). Maybe I should open up a tax free outlet in Williamsville and claim I’m a sovereign nation. Jaytoria FTW! 🙂 Jaytoria sounds good to me. Just pass on most of the savings on gas to the customer (Like the Irving res stations, who always seem to be 30 cents cheaper than Smokin Joe despite lower volume) and don’t mark 93 up more than 20 cents over 87 and you have yourself a new gas guzzling customer :tup: ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/36 "2008-12-15T08:43:37Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > You haven’t read the treaty, have you? obvously not many here have ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/37 "2008-12-15T08:44:32Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > obvously not many here have I did last time Spitzer tried this fight. IIRC they promised us safe free passage through their land. ---
**Author:** ![j\_espo1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/j_espo1/32/7291_2.png) [@j\_espo1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/j_espo1)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/38 "2008-12-15T08:44:59Z")
pop tax? what a fucking joke. this fucking state is a joke. TAX,TAX,TAX,TAX,TAX ---
**Author:** ![n20junkie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/n20junkie/32/7396_2.png) [@n20junkie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/n20junkie)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/39 "2008-12-15T09:19:34Z")
I don’t know why you guys are so upset. I remember a thread not 2 months ago where many cheered the idea of raising taxes. They that said that we should cut spending was called selfish and stupid. Lots of people said that we have to pay more and more taxes cause thats what civilized societys do, we support people. Its all fun to be idealistic, until your short on money, and they wana tax soda. > [@New York needs to raise taxes](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/58): > > Do you even fucking read? I said HEALTH INSURANCE should not be run for-profit. That doesn’t mean people don’t get paid it means you’re not trading the stock based on PROFIT increases of an industry that is supposed to TAKE CARE of people. For profit insurance ends up creating a system where the goal is to deny rather than to care for its customers. FYI, medicare has less bureaucratic economic loss than the private health insurance industry. > > The government isn’t making profit you fucktard, we run deficits. The government NEEDS to start making profit so we can pay down the MASSIVE DEBT we have. Oh are you too stupid to know the difference between revenue and profit? > > So sit down, shut the fuck up about “oh it’s my money, I shouldn’t have to pay taxes if I don’t want to, boo fucking hoo” You go figure out a way to have a functioning society without social programs (that doesn’t turn into a police state) and I’ll give you a big cookie. Maybe you and AWDrifter can go live off the grid together, enjoy living off nature (you know that thing we dirty liberals try to keep preserved and clean with YOUR money) Joe’s reply: > [@New York needs to raise taxes](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/59): > > saved me 10 minutes of work time. Thank you sir. > [@New York needs to raise taxes](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/85): > > What the fuck are you talking about? Communism? Do you even know what that is? Social parachutes? Do you even know what social program perform what tasks? > > Are you and AWD really so narrow sighted that you can’t see the world past your own wallet? Do you even remotely understand the complexity of this country, it’s economy, the economies within it, and it’s role in the global marketplace? > > What would you like to pay taxes on? And how much do you think is fair for the federal government and state government to take out respectively? > > Old people that never saved for retirement? Are you serious? > [@New York needs to raise taxes](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/117): > > i cant stand people whining about how they dont want there tax dollars spent on social services programs, medicaid, basically anything to help anyone but themselves. you do know these programs are limited now its not like it used to be where you keep having kids and keep getting money you get 2 years or 5 years if you have children thats it once you are out they tell you go fuck yourselves. NY is also work first state which means if you want welfare they try placing you in jobs if you dont comply you dont get anything, problem is there are no fucking jobs. > > Anyone bitching about how they shouldnt pay for others social programs suck a fat dick what would happen if all those people entered the job market??? you would either lose your job or take a big fucking pay hit then would whine about not being able to feed your family. the system is broken but at least its somewhat working, take away programs to help the poor and what the fuck do you thinks gonna happen. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/40 "2008-12-15T09:25:58Z")
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