# Gov. Paterson does not like Fat people or Indians. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 15, 2008, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753 "2008-12-15T07:17:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/101 "2008-12-18T10:59:46Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > that’s my point, it’s a total double standard. > > edit: it’s the fact that it’s sovereign land that things are tax free… not that they’re indian. > > should they collect gas tax for non-indians as well? Canadians don’t pay sales tax? Either way, the whole back-charge idea is kind of, well, NM, I’m out of this thread. Too goofy for this guy. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/102 "2008-12-18T11:00:13Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > Someone dig up my fucking giant pink font post. This type of shit is just too unbearable now. :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: You can lead a horse to water… ---
**Author:** ![fiend540](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bcef8e/32.png) [@fiend540](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fiend540)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/103 "2008-12-18T11:01:09Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > The CTS-V is so fucking awesome NYS doesn’t dare tax it. They may even give you a tax incentive to buy one because if everyone owned a CTS-V this state would be so god damn amazing we could operate every state program entirely on just our own sense of self satisfaction. :mamoru: I can picture it now, “New York, funded by smugness” ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/104 "2008-12-18T11:01:14Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > Canadians don’t pay sales tax? :banghead: nevermind ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/105 "2008-12-18T11:06:58Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > that’s my point, it’s a total double standard. > > edit: it’s the fact that it’s sovereign land that things are tax free… not that they’re indian. > > should they collect gas tax for non-indians as well? How many times do we have to say this. 1. It’s not sovereign land in the same regards that countries like Canada are sovereign from US laws and taxation. If it was we wouldn’t pay for their schools, roads and health clinics. If it was there would be US Customs checkpoints when you left the reservation. If it was our state police wouldn’t have to go in and clean up their shit. They are not their own country, regardless of how they want to spin it when the situation suits them. Because there aren’t those customs stations to collect duty on your “out of country” purchases, and because the Senecas refuse to collect the sales tax for us when non-residents purchase their goods, NY is going to collect the tax at the wholesale level. And yes, they should be doing the same for gas as well. ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/106 "2008-12-18T11:20:47Z")
I think they should tax dumb people more. Everyone below a set IQ has to pay xxx more. This will allow the government to fuck dumb people even more then they fuck themselves! ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/107 "2008-12-18T12:01:46Z")
> [@ultradriver10000](#): > > I think they should tax dumb people more. Everyone below a set IQ has to pay xxx more. > > This will allow the government to fuck dumb people even more then they fuck themselves! works for me. Believe it or not my I.Q. is 127 :). I have tourettes and ADHD and had to get my I.Q. and shit tested every 3 years for school. last it was checked it was 127. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/108 "2008-12-18T12:06:02Z")
wow jeg is srsly not that stupid… srsly ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/109 "2008-12-18T12:09:50Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > How many times do we have to say this. > > 1. It’s not sovereign land in the same regards that countries like Canada are sovereign from US laws and taxation. If it was we wouldn’t pay for their schools, roads and health clinics. If it was there would be US Customs checkpoints when you left the reservation. If it was our state police wouldn’t have to go in and clean up their shit. They are not their own country, regardless of how they want to spin it when the situation suits them. > > Because there aren’t those customs stations to collect duty on your “out of country” purchases, and because the Senecas refuse to collect the sales tax for us when non-residents purchase their goods, NY is going to collect the tax at the wholesale level. > > And yes, they should be doing the same for gas as well. _sigh_ I guess my point is that **they** shouldn’t be subject to anything under the STATE level, federal is a different story. The state is over stepping it’s bounds by forcing anything upon them. I didn’t mention anything about canada (if anything, it’s more in line with washington DC’s relationship to maryland than canadas relationship to the US) and I do agree that maybe the state does do a little too much for them. If they want to send their children to public school, fine… let them pay county school taxes or setup their own private system. As for the road thing (plows, marshall patrols, etc), I believe (correct me if I’m wrong) that it’s probably the states/feds responsibility since the senecas give US residents free use of their roadways as marked in the treaty. Obvously, not much (if any) of these were issues in the 1790’s when it was signed so there are a lot of grey areas that aren’t spelled out. again, I’m not saying that non-indians shouldn’t be paying taxes, but it’s not the right of the state to force them to collect those taxes, nor is it their right to tax them (the indians) at a wholesale level… nor can the state accurately enforce it by themselves by hoping that everyone is honest about it. Looking back, my previous examples are pretty bad attempts at connecting those dots, but whatever. It’s NO DIFFERENT than Newegg and Amazon telling NY to go fuck themselves when NY demanded that they collect sales tax on purchases from NY residents. I don’t buy my cigarettes or gas on the reservations, so it’s not so much that as it just bothers me to NO END to see the state keep dipping it’s greasy hands into our pockets. You give them an inch and they’ll take a mile… to each their own, opinions are like assholes… ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/110 "2008-12-18T12:10:43Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Because there aren’t those customs stations to collect duty on your “out of country” purchases, and because the Senecas refuse to collect the sales tax for us when non-residents purchase their goods, NY is going to collect the tax at the wholesale level. > > And yes, they should be doing the same for gas as well. yes… this is just a VAT tax… it makes perfect sense and gets NY the money up front. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/111 "2008-12-18T13:13:29Z")
[http://nyspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56027&highlight=newegg+sales+tax](http://nyspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56027&highlight=newegg+sales+tax) same difference, no? ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/112 "2008-12-18T13:21:24Z")
no, newegg is not in NY. (and don’t give us the tribes are also not in NY BS) ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/113 "2008-12-18T13:24:35Z")
doesnt matter… you still legally have to pay NY state tax on it, regardless of where it’s located, since you’re buying it **IN** New York. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/114 "2008-12-18T13:26:05Z")
youre supposed to do that on your tax return. they have a box for internet purchases you didnt pay tax on ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/115 "2008-12-18T13:26:36Z")
yup ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/116 "2008-12-18T13:27:08Z")
in theory. but when you buy anything from out of state, the company selling does not collect the tax. this is the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/117 "2008-12-18T13:29:03Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > in theory. but when you buy anything from out of state, the company selling does not collect the tax. > > this is the difference. unless you reside in the same state (providing there is a state sates tax) neither newegg, nor the indians, are required to collect any kind of sales tax ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/118 "2008-12-18T13:29:07Z")
Ah, the pesky Interstate Commerce Clause. The one that the Federal Gov’t uses to enforce pretty much anything. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/119 "2008-12-18T13:33:22Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > unless you reside in the same state (providing there is a state sates tax) > > neither newegg, nor the indians, are required to collect any kind of sales tax that’s where I argue the indians are in NYS. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/120 "2008-12-18T13:34:55Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > [http://nyspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56027&highlight=newegg+sales+tax](http://nyspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56027&highlight=newegg+sales+tax) > > same difference, no? No, because there is established case law saying you don’t have to pay sales tax on internet purchases if the retailer does not have a presence in your state. NY tried to get around this case law by greatly expanding the definition of business partner to include anyone who has done advertising for a merchant. It’s illegal, and will be overturned. As for the cigarettes, there was a supreme court ruling back when this first came up that taxing non-native purchases was allowed. It gets referenced all the time in the news but I’ve been unable to find the actual supreme court case they mention. Assuming it does exist, which I would hope it does since multiple news stations have mentioned it and the Senecas haven’t called it’s existence into question, the newegg thing is exactly the opposite. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753.md?page=7)