# Gov. Paterson does not like Fat people or Indians. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 15, 2008, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753 "2008-12-15T07:17:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/121 "2008-12-18T13:41:30Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > No, because there is established case law saying you don’t have to pay sales tax on internet purchases if the retailer does not have a presence in your state. NY tried to get around this case law by greatly expanding the definition of business partner to include anyone who has done advertising for a merchant. It’s illegal, and will be overturned. > > As for the cigarettes, there was a supreme court ruling back when this first came up that taxing non-native purchases was allowed. It gets referenced all the time in the news but I’ve been unable to find the actual supreme court case they mention. Assuming it does exist, which I would hope it does since multiple news stations have mentioned it and the Senecas haven’t called it’s existence into question, the newegg thing is exactly the opposite. So if I buy a car from a used car dealership Florida on ebay, do I not have to pay NY taxes on it? (serious question btw) ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/122 "2008-12-18T13:42:34Z")
in reality you don’t unless you plan to register it in NY. in theory you do since you live in NYS ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/123 "2008-12-18T13:44:37Z")
yeah, that was actually a bad example. cars are usually treated differently than most goods (have to register it I guess… and that aint happening without paying taxes) ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/124 "2008-12-18T14:00:45Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > that’s where I argue the indians are in NYS. agreed, they are in NY state. It doesn’t mean they’re required to comply with nys laws on their own territory (much like DC doesn’t follow marylands). I don’t know the in’s and out’s of that though… and trying to find specific information about reservation tax laws and laws general is like pulling teeth. I do know that they’re subject to federal law though I’d have a hard time believing that indians don’t have to comply with state DWI laws, on their land or not ---
**Author:** ![n20junkie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/n20junkie/32/7396_2.png) [@n20junkie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/n20junkie)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/125 "2008-12-18T14:56:51Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > So if I buy a car from a used car dealership Florida on ebay, do I not have to pay NY taxes on it? (serious question btw) If you register it in NYS, yes. I bought a truck in NC, paid NC tax, then when I moved back here 3 years later, they still wanted me to pay tax on it, even though it was registered, in my name, in NC. This is the killer, they wanted me to pay FULL NY tax, on top of the 3 percent paid in NC. Now I was military, so its not like I was getting around by driving down there on a weekend. I called and bitched to the tax department, they said that I could call NC and tell them I am registering it in NYS and ask for my taxes back. I asked the dumb bitch if if NYS would do this if I had moved to NC. “well of course we wouldn’t” was her reply. FUCK NYS. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/126 "2008-12-18T15:03:32Z")
so? did you end up paying tax? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/127 "2008-12-18T15:16:38Z")
not surprising in the least bit. :tdown: [http://www.law.cornell.edu/nyctap/I98\_0097.htm](http://www.law.cornell.edu/nyctap/I98_0097.htm) a pretty interesting read 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/128 "2008-12-18T15:25:45Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > not surprising in the least bit. :tdown: > > [IN THE MATTER OF NEW YORK ASSOCIATION OF CONVENIENCE STORES, ET AL., RESPONDENTS-APPELLANTS, v. MICHAEL H. URBACH, AS COMMISSION- ER OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TAXATION AND FINANCE OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, ET AL., APPELLANTS-RESPONDENTS.](http://www.law.cornell.edu/nyctap/I98_0097.htm) > > a pretty interesting read 🙂 Good find man. > That litigation was finally resolved in 1994, when the **United States Supreme Court held that the State’s regulations were not preempted by the Federal Indian Trader Statutes ( _Department of Taxation and Finance of New York v Milhelm Attea & Bros._, [512 US 61](http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct-cgi/get-us-cite?512+61); _see_, [25 USC § 261](http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/25/261.html) et seq.).** Having concluded that “Indian traders are not wholly immune from state regulation that is reasonably necessary to the assessment or collection of lawful state taxes,” the Court reasoned that New York’s system of collecting taxes “early in the distribution stream” and imposing a quota on untaxed goods available for sale to reservation members was an acceptable method of preventing tax evasion ( _id._, at 75). Finally, the actual US Supreme Court case. ---
**Author:** ![Eazy716](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/eazy716/32/7443_2.png) [@Eazy716](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eazy716)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/129 "2009-01-02T09:16:45Z")
my mother told me last night the price of smokes on the res doubled very recently. I seem to think she’s out of her mind. I haven’t heard anyone complaining about it like you would assume, and there’s no tires burning. can anyone confirm wether the price was raised or not? ---
**Author:** ![Karter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@Karter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Karter)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 9:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/130 "2009-01-02T09:26:36Z")
> [@Eazy716](#): > > my mother told me last night the price of smokes on the res doubled very recently. I seem to think she’s out of her mind. I haven’t heard anyone complaining about it like you would assume, and there’s no tires burning. > > can anyone confirm wether the price was raised or not? i posted earlier in this thread about it. Smoking joe full flavor went from 1050 to 1550 overnight a while ago. My pops was pissed off. ---
**Author:** ![Eazy716](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/eazy716/32/7443_2.png) [@Eazy716](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eazy716)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/131 "2009-01-02T09:33:02Z")
hmm, i paid $28.xx a few weeks ago for marbs, and she said they’re somewhere around $42 now. :mad: hope this isn’t true. but then again, would give me another great reason to finally quit. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/132 "2009-01-02T09:39:27Z")
> [@Just Karter](#): > > i posted earlier in this thread about it. > Smoking joe full flavor went from 1050 to 1550 overnight a while ago. > My pops was pissed off. your dad smokes full flavor smokin joes’ and he’s still alive? impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/133 "2009-01-02T10:30:45Z")
Read that a judge ordered NY to cease trying to collect tax on them… so if they’re going up, I don’t think it’s from tax > **[Judge halts cigarette law enforcement](http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2008/12/judge_halts_cigarette_law_enfo.html)** > > A judge in Erie County has temporarily barred the state from enforcing a new law requiring the collection of taxes on cigarettes sold on Indian reservations. State Supreme Court Justice Rose H. Sconiers signed the temporary restraining order... ---
**Author:** ![Geehee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geehee/32/7238_2.png) [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/134 "2009-01-02T10:33:09Z")
IF EVERYONE WHO SMOKES, QUIT… our other taxes would skyrocket. so keep smoking everyone that does! you are keeping my already outrageous taxes lower than they would be. ---
**Author:** ![Karter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@Karter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Karter)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/135 "2009-01-02T10:39:23Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > your dad smokes full flavor smokin joes’ and he’s still alive? impressive. I personally think its retarded, cig smokers are the worse addicts and dont even realize it. fiends man, fiends. ---
**Author:** ![Eazy716](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/eazy716/32/7443_2.png) [@Eazy716](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eazy716)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/136 "2009-01-02T10:40:34Z")
> [@Just Karter](#): > > I personally think its retarded, cig smokers are the worse addicts and dont even realize it. fiends man, fiends. word…coming from a smoker who knows it, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/137 "2009-01-02T10:43:43Z")
> [@evolve](#): > > IF EVERYONE WHO SMOKES, QUIT… > > our other taxes would skyrocket. > > so keep smoking everyone that does! you are keeping my already outrageous taxes lower than they would be. Your statement applies only to people that have health insurance. If Medicaid people would lay off the Newports I’d have to pay less for their emphysema and tracheotomies. ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 6:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/138 "2009-01-14T06:26:16Z")
bump saw them talking about this issue on the news again. > [@yeamabu](#): > > lol great, tax the natives and lets have fun with our highways again! wonder how much shit will go up in fire. this guy is now on the number one target list for natives. I called it, how long before the tolls go up and we need to pay to use the highway on their land. how long before we cant even use the highway there? ---
**Author:** ![Janus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@Janus](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Janus)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/139 "2009-01-14T06:35:28Z")
> [@Just Karter](#): > > I personally think its retarded, cig smokers are the worse addicts and dont even realize it. fiends man, fiends. i gte a kick out of people who will literally walk out of an emergency room, sign themselves out AMA (against medical advice) in the dead of winter because they have to have a smoke. These are people with chest pain, short of breath, broken hands, you name it. unreal… tell me its not a drug. ---
**Author:** ![A.J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@A.J](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/A.J)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753/140 "2009-01-14T06:44:44Z")
> **[Update: Paterson tells toll-seeking Senecas, let's talk](http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/01/seneca_nation_plans_to_collect.html)** > > Move would protest cigarette tax collection. In 1997, protests shut down 30-mile stretch of the Thruway. Fun times ahead [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gov-paterson-does-not-like-fat-people-or-indians/59753.md?page=8)