# Gruppe M Cryogenic Intake System
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061
**Category:** NYSpeed Automotive
**Created:** [January 19, 2006, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061 "2006-01-19T11:43:53Z")
**Posts on this page:** 16
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### Author:  [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2006, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061/1 "2006-01-19T11:43:53Z")
From the '06 Tokyo Auto Salon
_Gruppe M tuner guru Mamoru Ogose talked up one of the wildest ideas to hit the internal-combustion engine in some time: a cryogenically cooled intake system that practically freezes the intake charge before it enters the combustion chamber. Ogose promises impressive power gains to any car._
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### Author:  [@jeeves744](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jeeves744)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2006, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061/2 "2006-01-19T11:48:04Z")
hasnt that been around for years? I know i’ve seen the same thing (or very similar) before.
but that would be sweet for FI applications
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### Author:  [@vq30de](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vq30de)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2006, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061/3 "2006-01-19T11:49:22Z")
ya old news, cool nonetheless…
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### Author:  [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2006, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061/4 "2006-01-19T12:16:40Z")
> [@jeeves744](#):
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> hasnt that been around for years? I know i’ve seen the same thing (or very similar) before.
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> but that would be sweet for FI applications
yea, there was another company that did it. cryo2 or something like that
the idea seems sound, but i have never seen any supporting dynos
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### Author:  [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2006, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061/5 "2006-01-19T12:17:55Z")
I know ford did something similar on a Lightning concept a few years ago. Damn that hurts saying Ford.
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### Author:  [@HotRodKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HotRodKid)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2006, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061/6 "2006-01-19T12:23:26Z")
> [@MPD47](#):
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> I know ford did something similar on a Lightning concept a few years ago. Damn that hurts saying Ford.
ford has an regenerative intercooler system that uses the A/C system to cool (?water?) which is then used to cool the intake charge on demand
the ystem operates for like 20 seconds, then takes a few minutes to recharge before it can be used again
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### Author:  [@jeeves744](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jeeves744)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2006, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061/7 "2006-01-19T12:27:26Z")
you might as well just spray the car since you need just about all the same parts anyway.
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### Author:  [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2006, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061/8 "2006-01-19T13:01:39Z")
i could actually see it working well on cars running lots of boost.
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### Author:  [@MaximaSE98](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MaximaSE98)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2006, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061/9 "2006-01-19T13:23:59Z")
[http://www.customenterprise.com/viewer/shop/templates/template.1.product.asd/scspid/1478/vts/design017](http://www.customenterprise.com/viewer/shop/templates/template.1.product.asd/scspid/1478/vts/design017)
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### Author:  [@STEALTTH](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/STEALTTH)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2006, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061/10 "2006-01-19T13:39:56Z")
yeah a buddy of mine almost convinced me to do this to my stealth a few years back. I almost did too 🙂
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2006, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061/11 "2006-01-19T14:00:19Z")
DEI had that system at the 2004 PRI show
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### Author:  [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2006, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061/12 "2006-01-19T15:37:54Z")
i have read that using a very small shot (35) cools intake charge on boosted cars much better.
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### Author:  [@LAFENGAS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LAFENGAS)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2006, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061/13 "2006-01-19T15:59:24Z")
Gruppe M sucks… and is overpriced
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### Author:  [@LAFENGAS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LAFENGAS)
#### Post date: [January 20, 2006, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061/14 "2006-01-20T13:40:13Z")
> [@LAFENGAS](#):
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> Gruppe M sucks… and is overpriced
j/k. I have a Gruppe M and I like it
Is there any data on cooling % per CFM?
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### Author:  [@Tunerfreak](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Tunerfreak)
#### Post date: [January 20, 2006, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061/15 "2006-01-20T13:45:31Z")
i actually have the DEI CRYO2 system but just the intercooler sprayer part cause that thing u stick in the intake just looks a little restrictive to me but i have been thinking about gettin it.
DEI has great information on their site about it
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### Author:  [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)
#### Post date: [January 20, 2006, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gruppe-m-cryogenic-intake-system/7061/16 "2006-01-20T14:40:46Z")
that little thing in the intake has great aerodynamic properties :tup: 😉