# GTI\> b5 s4

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**Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\
**Created:** [July 15, 2008, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gti-b5-s4/51564 "2008-07-15T23:50:57Z")\
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**Author:** ![fiend540](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bcef8e/32.png) [@fiend540](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fiend540)\
**Post date:** [July 16, 2008, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gti-b5-s4/51564/26 "2008-07-16T11:33:20Z")

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> [@cky89](#):
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> What is stage 2 then? I’ve been looking since it was posted and I find nothing about stage 1. Most people on vortex call the flash stage 2.
> 
> What would stage 2 be exhaust and intake? seems like a huge waste of money for a little gain.
> 
> stage 3 makes 384hp for 8 grand? SO NOT WORTH IT.

So what you are saying is mk5 kids are even worse than their mk4 counterparts? Oh well atleast they don’t look poor…

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