# GTO ad **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [November 4, 2003, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586 "2003-11-04T09:14:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![fshowcars](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fshowcars/32/5937_2.png) [@fshowcars](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fshowcars)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/21 "2003-11-04T13:21:17Z")
> _Originally posted by Cutty_ > **rwd is not needed? why aren’t ferrari’s, lambos, dragsters, indy’s and etc. FWD?** once again i was referring to stock montes and shit you brought up… not race cars. ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/22 "2003-11-04T13:39:45Z")
sure they can make more power with a RWD platform, more room! Stock montes are ok but its about the same performance wise as my 85 brick SS. Anytime the engine isn’t in sideways with a transaxel you are gonna have more options for performance. Why no LS1, LC2, BB fwd cars? can’t do it! no room. buick had to scrap the LC2 cause there was no more platform to use it in. Sure he 3800 series is the same block size but they still never matched that performance even with the super on it. 300 ft/lbs of tourque?? is that all? my crappy 307 is close to that. How about upwards of 510 ft lbs in my GS!!! ---
**Author:** ![Shaggy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shaggy/32/5945_2.png) [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/23 "2003-11-04T14:02:10Z")
its easier to push than to pull dumbass’ 😃 no way is your 307 making 300 tq 302\>307:D 225hp 300tq a 302 87-92 rustang stock w/ 3,1xx pounds 😃 ---
**Author:** ![fshowcars](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fshowcars/32/5937_2.png) [@fshowcars](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fshowcars)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/24 "2003-11-04T14:25:44Z")
> _Originally posted by Cutty_ > > > > **300 ft/lbs of tourque?? is that all? my crappy 307 is close to that. How about upwards of 510 ft lbs in my GS!!!** 1.8l you’ll get gas probably 3 times before i ever remember to look at my gauge 😃 btw i was just bustin your balls… i really don’t know anything about GM… i figure the less i know about american cars, the longer my car will stay running… 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Shaggy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shaggy/32/5945_2.png) [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/25 "2003-11-04T14:27:32Z")
> _Originally posted by turbovw18_ > **1.8l you’ll get gas probably 3 times before i ever remember to look at my gauge 😃** :bsflag: but in that 307 carb. 😃 yeah 3 times is the charm 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/26 "2003-11-04T14:38:09Z")
dropping LS1 into a grand prix and calling it a GTO… gheyness. If your gonna do something, do it right. I dont know how the fuck those designers looked at that car and didnt think it looked too much like a GP. :doh: ---
**Author:** ![Shaggy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shaggy/32/5945_2.png) [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/27 "2003-11-04T14:41:33Z")
well doesn’t the austraila people think. the GP looks like the holden hahahahaa ---
**Author:** ![Black\_WS6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/black_ws6/32/5952_2.png) [@Black\_WS6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Black_WS6)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/28 "2003-11-04T16:44:34Z")
> _Originally posted by Darkstar_ > **dropping LS1 into a grand prix and calling it a GTO… gheyness.** > > > > **If your gonna do something, do it right. I dont know how the fuck those designers looked at that car and didnt think it looked too much like a GP. :doh:** ---
**Author:** ![ohsoquik02](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecccb3/32.png) [@ohsoquik02](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ohsoquik02)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/29 "2003-11-04T16:57:11Z")
> _Originally posted by 1320_ > **drive a FWD car with 300+ ft/lbs of torque… and then say that again.** isnt the problem with frtdrive is the weak halfshalfs not being able to hold up to the power ---
**Author:** ![ohsoquik02](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecccb3/32.png) [@ohsoquik02](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ohsoquik02)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/30 "2003-11-04T17:00:49Z")
> _Originally posted by Cutty_ > **sure they can make more power with a RWD platform, more room! Stock montes are ok but its about the same performance wise as my 85 brick SS. Anytime the engine isn’t in sideways with a transaxel you are gonna have more options for performance. Why no LS1, LC2, BB fwd cars? can’t do it! no room. buick had to scrap the LC2 cause there was no more platform to use it in. Sure he 3800 series is the same block size but they still never matched that performance even with the super on it.** > > > > **300 ft/lbs of tourque?? is that all? my crappy 307 is close to that. How about upwards of 510 ft lbs in my GS!!!** i didnt know that 307s had that much tq. i think mine only had 140hp and 245 tq this was in a regal ---
**Author:** ![ohsoquik02](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecccb3/32.png) [@ohsoquik02](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ohsoquik02)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/31 "2003-11-04T17:03:40Z")
now getting torque out of a 4cyl. is priceless by the time you make alot of torque out of a 4 cyl. just think how much you could of made with more cyl not saying it isnt possible. but i see alot of hp out of these cars and hardly and torque. and as far as the gto it kinda looks like a deranged stang ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/32 "2003-11-04T17:45:43Z")
> _Originally posted by ohsoquik02_ > **now getting torque out of a 4cyl. is priceless by the time you make alot of > torque out of a 4 cyl. just think how much you could of made with more cyl > not saying it isnt possible. but i see alot of hp out of these cars and hardly > and torque.** my car makes more tq than hp… and its making over 300 of both. :0 ---
**Author:** ![ohsoquik02](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecccb3/32.png) [@ohsoquik02](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ohsoquik02)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/33 "2003-11-04T18:24:42Z")
> _Originally posted by Darkstar_ > **my car makes more tq than hp…** > > > > **and its making over 300 of both. :0** you have a turbo dont ya, that would be the reason for yours. im saying n/a anyone can turbo anything[yes yours is turbo from factory and is respected] but where is your torque curve? with larger disp. motors the torque is lower in the power band. when smaller motors make torque its alot higher in the band. like cuttys car probaby has all that torque around 2500 rpms yours is probably at 5000 rpm or so ---
**Author:** ![Stroker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/stroker/32/5948_2.png) [@Stroker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Stroker)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/34 "2003-11-04T18:31:16Z")
- Horsepower: 195 @ 6000rpm - Torque: 203 @ 5000rpm stock talon ---
**Author:** ![BlkP42E](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blkp42e/32/5938_2.png) [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/35 "2003-11-04T18:58:08Z")
> _Originally posted by Darkstar_ > **my car makes more tq than hp…** > > > > **and its making over 300 of both. :0** proof?? ---
**Author:** ![ohsoquik02](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecccb3/32.png) [@ohsoquik02](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ohsoquik02)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/36 "2003-11-04T19:14:45Z")
> _Originally posted by turbotalon91_ > **\* Horsepower: 195 @ 6000rpm** > > > **- Torque: 203 @ 5000rpm** > > > > **stock talon** like i said around 5000 that must suck!!! i think i have that amount of torque a little above idle ---
**Author:** ![fshowcars](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fshowcars/32/5937_2.png) [@fshowcars](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fshowcars)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/37 "2003-11-04T20:43:38Z")
> _Originally posted by turbotalon91_ > **\* Horsepower: 195 @ 6000rpm** > > > **- Torque: 203 @ 5000rpm** > > > > **stock talon** 🤣 1.8t - stock horse: 180 @ 5500 torque 185 @ 1950 and i’m chipped pushing damn near 250 ft-lbs… you can feel it at 2k like no other ---
**Author:** ![97greengtp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/bc79bd/32.png) [@97greengtp](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97greengtp)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/38 "2003-11-04T21:49:02Z")
> _Originally posted by 2kaltima_ > **I just read the car and driver article on the new gto. 14.0 in the 1/4 .88 on the skidpad. It sucks that gm finally gets a good idea then kills it by building a pos.** > > > > **I’m sure the aftermarket will be huge, but gm still fucked up a nice idea from the factory.** > I’m not sure what magazine I was looking at tonite but I saw 13.6 @105 :dunno: ---
**Author:** ![1320](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1320/32/5949_2.png) [@1320](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1320)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/39 "2003-11-04T21:54:19Z")
> _Originally posted by turbovw18_ > **the origin of my comment was about stock montes and shit that cutty was talking about and how he said they would make a more powerful car with rwd.** > > > > **i was just saying that fwd cars can make good power… and my bud’s gti has 300 ft lbs all he has on me is the turboback exhaust sitting in my living room… are we talking crank or wheel? 277 wheel… pretty close to 300 crank. \<— ricer i know… but my car has torque bish** i was referring to the lack of traction with FWD torque monsters… as you know when the driver hammers the gas, the rear end dips and transfers weight off of the front wheels. When you have a FWD with tons of torque you spin forever. I saw captain chaos’ built motor turbo civic this weeknd at the track…he had street tires on and pretty much blew off the tires past the 330’ mark. And dont even get me started on FWD torque steer, i HATE that shit. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![ohsoquik02](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecccb3/32.png) [@ohsoquik02](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ohsoquik02)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2003, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/40 "2003-11-04T22:00:56Z")
> _Originally posted by 1320_ > > > > **And dont even get me started on FWD torque steer, i HATE that shit. :mad:** have you even driven a fwd v8 now that is some serious torque steer!!! [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586.md?page=3)