# GTO ad **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [November 4, 2003, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586 "2003-11-04T09:14:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Blue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3bc359/32.png) [@Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/41 "2003-11-05T02:55:14Z")
> _Originally posted by 2kaltima_ > **I just read the car and driver article on the new gto. 14.0 in the 1/4 .88 on the skidpad. It sucks that gm finally gets a good idea then kills it by building a pos.** > > > > **I’m sure the aftermarket will be huge, but gm still fucked up a nice idea from the factory.** car and driver also said the camaro could only run a 13.7 too ---
**Author:** ![Jeff95TA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeff95ta/32/5935_2.png) [@Jeff95TA](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jeff95TA)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/42 "2003-11-05T04:24:24Z")
This is weird - an off-topic thread that is more on-topic than the on-topics! ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/43 "2003-11-05T05:43:56Z")
The olds toronado had a big block and was fwd. And they had no torque steer whatsoever. > _Originally posted by Cutty_ > **Why no LS1, LC2, BB fwd cars? can’t do it! no room.** ---
**Author:** ![1320](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1320/32/5949_2.png) [@1320](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1320)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 5:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/44 "2003-11-05T05:52:26Z")
> _Originally posted by ohsoquik02_ > **have you even driven a fwd v8 now that is some serious torque steer!!!** im not really catagorizing here… im talking about ANY fwd with tons of torque. RWD is clearly is better choice and is more performance oriented. ---
**Author:** ![Pewter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pewter/32/5936_2.png) [@Pewter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pewter)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 5:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/45 "2003-11-05T05:54:39Z")
> _Originally posted by 1320_ > **im not really catagorizing here… im talking about ANY fwd with tons of torque. RWD is clearly is better choice and is more performance oriented.** > which is true!!! > but it’s still cool to see 8 second FWD’s ---
**Author:** ![imported\_showtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/51bf81/32.png) [@imported\_showtime](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_showtime)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/46 "2003-11-05T06:58:02Z")
> _Originally posted by Shaggy_ > **its easier to push than to pull dumbass’ 😃** plus with FWD and your on the track and the same set of tires/wheels are doing eveything Accel, Braking, turning…its rough and thats why FWD’s always have understeer problems. its all vehicle/driving dynamics. ---
**Author:** ![whitey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/whitey/32/5911_2.png) [@whitey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/whitey)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/47 "2003-11-05T07:12:37Z")
> _Originally posted by showtime_ > **plus with FWD and your on the track and the same set of tires/wheels are doing eveything Accel, Braking, turning…its rough and thats why FWD’s always have understeer problems. > its all vehicle/driving dynamics.** i have no problem with understeer… and I am FWD… ---
**Author:** ![Pewter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pewter/32/5936_2.png) [@Pewter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pewter)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/48 "2003-11-05T07:13:34Z")
> _Originally posted by whitey_ > **i have no problem with understeer… and I am FWD…** > got to have power for that:p ---
**Author:** ![fshowcars](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fshowcars/32/5937_2.png) [@fshowcars](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fshowcars)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/49 "2003-11-05T07:16:53Z")
> _Originally posted by whitey_ > **i have no problem with understeer… and I am FWD…** > you / we also have mad suspension work :hs: ---
**Author:** ![imported\_showtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/51bf81/32.png) [@imported\_showtime](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_showtime)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/50 "2003-11-05T07:27:27Z")
> _Originally posted by turbovw18_ > **you / we also have mad suspension work :hs:** exactly…same here but if you really push your car hard i’m sure it will understeer… probably when doing a full accel out of the corner you’ll notice it doesn’t want to turn as much most FWD’s with tons of suspension work, can get a 4 wheel drift in the corner, but at some point it usually still understeers, and then to compensate you do lift throttle oversteer. ---
**Author:** ![whitey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/whitey/32/5911_2.png) [@whitey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/whitey)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/51 "2003-11-05T07:58:33Z")
i was taught how to drive my car without understeer through bends and with a heavy rear sway my ass end whips around… I am telling you i get no understeer as of right now and with me knowing how to drive my car… when the turbo goes on, will see how it goes with the boosted power… i think traction will be a bigger enemy then ---
**Author:** ![imported\_showtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/51bf81/32.png) [@imported\_showtime](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_showtime)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/52 "2003-11-05T08:07:08Z")
> _Originally posted by whitey_ > **i was taught how to drive my car without understeer through bends and with a heavy rear sway my ass end whips around…** > > > > **I am telling you i get no understeer as of right now and with me knowing how to drive my car… when the turbo goes on, will see how it goes with the boosted power… i think traction will be a bigger enemy then** yeah driving is key… when you get the turbo on i think you’ll get what i was saying…traction problems accel out of the turn…which will seem like a understeer Thats the problem i have…traction accel out of the turn…but a LSD would help me out a lot. the tires can only do so much work…if you look at it like this they can do 100% work…but if your putting in 40% steering the car and 75% accel the car the tires can’t handle that, and that is when understeer accurs. but like you said knowing how to drive your car, practice, track time etc…can eliminate those errors. ---
**Author:** ![whitey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/whitey/32/5911_2.png) [@whitey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/whitey)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/53 "2003-11-05T08:12:29Z")
running toyo proxes FZ4’s were real nice… once they got hot they were sticky icky ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/54 "2003-11-05T09:16:11Z")
Type V-8, iron block and heads, aluminum intake manifold Bore x stroke- 3.80 x 3.385 Displacement- 307 cu. in., 5 liters Compression Ratio -8.0:1 Carburetion -1 x 4 Rochester 4MV Quadrajet Emission controls monolythic bed catalytic converter feedback fuel-air-ratio control EGR auxiliary air pump Valvetrain pushrods, overhead valves, hydraulic lifters Power (SAE net) 180 bhp @ 4400 rpm Torque (SAE net) 285 lbs-ft @ 3200 rpm Exhaust System low restriction dual outlet, mufflers Fuel requirement Unleaded I knew someone would bring up the tornado, well obviously there was enough room. As far as the drivetrain, i was talking to a guy that was at nationals and he was a former olds dealer, he told me they never once had a tornado in for axle service. the axle they used was far more than that car needed, it was used in some tanks and light armored vehincals. Street rodders still use this set up for its durability. ---
**Author:** ![ohsoquik02](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecccb3/32.png) [@ohsoquik02](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ohsoquik02)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/55 "2003-11-05T10:05:57Z")
> _Originally posted by showtime_ > **exactly…same here** > > > > **but if you really push your car hard i’m sure it will understeer… > probably when doing a full accel out of the corner you’ll notice it doesn’t want to turn as much > most FWD’s with tons of suspension work, can get a 4 wheel drift in the corner, but at some point it usually still understeers, and then to compensate you do lift throttle oversteer.** i found out that cheap tires suck when takening bends. i once had a severe understeer where i slide across 2 lanes almost into the on coming lane. this was on 60 by the 79 interchange. found out that good compound tires are better when driving hard. and pep boys tires on the back make for some nice ass whipping around. ---
**Author:** ![whitey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/whitey/32/5911_2.png) [@whitey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/whitey)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/56 "2003-11-05T10:30:53Z")
> _Originally posted by ohsoquik02_ > **i found out that cheap tires suck when takening bends. i once had a severe > understeer where i slide across 2 lanes almost into the on coming lane. this > was on 60 by the 79 interchange. found out that good compound tires are > better when driving hard. and pep boys tires on the back make for some nice > ass whipping around.** no shit!!! tires make a world of difference… ---
**Author:** ![Blue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3bc359/32.png) [@Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/57 "2003-11-05T11:00:34Z")
still waiting on altimas response to the car and driver camaro times ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/58 "2003-11-05T11:34:38Z")
What is there to respond to? A very well known car publication reported that the car ran a 14 flat. Am I supposed to care that they only got a 13.7 out of a camaro. Maybe that was an uncorrected time, or they got a shitty car. I don’t care But for 30 grand and all the hype, the new GTO is a flop. > _Originally posted by BlueZ28_ > **still waiting on altimas response to the car and driver camaro times** ---
**Author:** ![Pinhead240](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f14d63/32.png) [@Pinhead240](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pinhead240)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/59 "2003-11-05T12:00:50Z")
Well, I love the GTO. It has just about everything I am looking for in a car. Nice engine, beautiful interior, 6-speed, RWD, ind. suspension, 2-doors. I doubt the car will truely flop, you get a lot of car for the money, especially if you consider what you got when you bought a $35k WS6. My only complaint would be the rear 3/4 view of the car. It just doesn’t look right to me. Other than that, I may likely be selling my Z28 to get in line for the GTO. ---
**Author:** ![fshowcars](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fshowcars/32/5937_2.png) [@fshowcars](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fshowcars)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/60 "2003-11-05T12:14:18Z")
car and driver drove my 02 gti at like 15.4 or something in the 1/4… it’ll run faster than that. car and driver is mostly bs… just like the new gto 🆒 [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586.md?page=4)