# GTO ad
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586
**Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic
**Created:** [November 4, 2003, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586 "2003-11-04T09:14:20Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 5
### Author:  [@imported\_showtime](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_showtime)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/81 "2003-11-06T11:15:24Z")
> _Originally posted by 2kaltima_
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> **The gtp is nowhere even close to a svt contour in handling. The contour is a smaller, lighter, better handling car. It is a little slower at the drag srtip though.**
exactly…
and i never claimed the SVT was fast at the strip…its not a drag car at all…the GTP is more of a straight line racer.
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### Author:  [@Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/82 "2003-11-06T11:23:55Z")
> _Originally posted by showtime_
> **are you on crack…the only thing the gtp is better at is straight line…1/4 mile…and it isn’bt by a that much…and that has a lot to do with the tq. advantage of the gtp…from a roll they are pretty even.**
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> the GTP is a boat in the twisties…the SVT pulls .9g on the skidpad stock…the GTP can’t touch that…thats up near s2000, Z06 etc… lateral Accel #'s
> even the evo and Sti are only .88g stock.
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> **GTP isn’t even in the same class when you talk about handling**
uhh Z06 is pushing near a full g
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### Author:  [@imported\_showtime](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_showtime)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/83 "2003-11-06T11:30:20Z")
> _Originally posted by BlueZ28_
> **uhh Z06 is pushing near a full g**
well if you read what i said…i said it was up NEAR…not the same as.
and i know a modded svt up close to a full g
but thats some the GTP will never see…the brand new one is at like .83g or something and its way better then the previous body style…which was lower then that.
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### Author:  [@imported\_gearhead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_gearhead)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/84 "2003-11-06T11:34:53Z")
poor responce baby blue.
If you want to start talking skid pad, my all-trac celica STOCK was tested at 0.90g. This was back in 1987!!
next, how do u bring in a z06 when the contestants are an SVT and GTP? I have driven both and I am astonished to why this debate has even started. Like everyone has said, the svt is lighter and more nimble, the gtp is a big fat touring type car with poor domestic design and quality all through it.
also, i see nothing wrong with a FWD car making oversteer. I have tried SO hard to get cars like my accord and such to make good oversteer so to turn-in to corners. when i drove gtp’s, all they do is PLOW into corners with little to no love at the rear while still diving and sloshing through the corners. I’ve driven 2 well set up svt’s that handle amazing for a front heavy v6 fwd 4door. There should be no comparison in the 2… give the pontiac keys back to your grandpa man…
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### Author:  [@Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/85 "2003-11-06T11:44:58Z")
> _Originally posted by gearhead_
> **poor responce baby blue.**
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> If you want to start talking skid pad, my all-trac celica STOCK was tested at 0.90g. This was back in 1987!!
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> next, how do u bring in a z06 when the contestants are an SVT and GTP? I have driven both and I am astonished to why this debate has even started. Like everyone has said, the svt is lighter and more nimble, the gtp is a big fat touring type car with poor domestic design and quality all through it.
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> **also, i see nothing wrong with a FWD car making oversteer. I have tried SO hard to get cars like my accord and such to make good oversteer so to turn-in to corners. when i drove gtp’s, all they do is PLOW into corners with little to no love at the rear while still diving and sloshing through the corners. I’ve driven 2 well set up svt’s that handle amazing for a front heavy v6 fwd 4door. There should be no comparison in the 2… give the pontiac keys back to your grandpa man…**
i didnt…showtime brought the Z06 and S2000 in here…quick question, how does reaction time affect ET?
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### Author:  [@imported\_showtime](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_showtime)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/86 "2003-11-06T11:50:05Z")
my bad on bringing in the z06 and s2000, but i was just using as a benchmark so you know what .90g is close with
S2000 something like .93
Zo6 = 1g
M3 =.89g
STi & Evo = .88g
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### Author:  [@Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/87 "2003-11-06T11:55:28Z")
> _Originally posted by showtime_
> **my bad on bringing in the z06 and s2000, but i was just using as a benchmark so you know what .90g is close with
> S2000 something like .93
> Zo6 = 1g
> M3 =.89g
> STi & Evo = .88g**
wanna know something funny
Z28=.87g
GTP Comp G = .90g
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### Author:  [@imported\_showtime](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_showtime)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/88 "2003-11-06T12:03:42Z")
yeah they upped the handling in the new GTP “comp G” cause that was the big complaint about previous Grand prix model.
here is part of the article written on [pistonheads.com](http://pistonheads.com)
**Fun? No**
Even if you baby the throttle, the Comp G is no hoot to drive. Those of you who know about such things will have already clocked the fact that the Comp G’s weight transfers rearwards under hard acceleration, resulting in an inevitable and dramatic loss of front end grip and control. It’s what the technically-minded call “excessive understeer” and anyone attempting to blast the Comp G around a corner would call “a bad thing”. The Comp G may be relatively safe - the front tyres squeal at the onset of an understeer slide - but it wouldn’t be my first choice for a high-speed romp down an unfamiliar twisty.
Given the firepower lurking in the engine bay and the average American petrolhead’s distaste for anything other than a straight road, even these handling “issues” would be put to one side if the Comp G was cheap. Thirty thousand US dollars says it isn’t. Truth to tell, the only good news is that the top-end Grand Prix is a lame duck. Next year, GM will rebadge and sell the Holden Monaro: a rear-wheel-drive, V8-powered, Australian-made, 2+2 sports sedan with an optional manual gearbox. Sources suggest it will cost only slightly more than a loaded Comp G. The Pontiac GTO will go like Hell and handle like a dream. American onrampaphobics’ salvation is at hand.
full article at [http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/index.asp?storyId=7139](http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/index.asp?storyId=7139)
to each his own
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### Author:  [@Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/89 "2003-11-06T12:19:25Z")
also remember the skidpad isnt the end all to handling questions
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### Author:  [@imported\_showtime](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_showtime)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/90 "2003-11-06T12:21:55Z")
i’m not saying that…but i am saying that the SVT handles better then a GTP no questions
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### Author:  [@Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/91 "2003-11-06T12:25:05Z")
> _Originally posted by showtime_
> **i’m not saying that…but i am saying that the SVT handles better then a GTP no questions**
depends on the driver…maybe im just used to bigger cars
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### Author:  [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/92 "2003-11-06T13:24:59Z")
> _Originally posted by BlueZ28_
> **depends on the driver…maybe im just used to bigger cars**
No it doesn’t depend on the driver - the svt is a far superior car in the twisties. I don’t care if you are used to driving a sherman tank.
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### Author:  [@Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/93 "2003-11-06T13:25:45Z")
> _Originally posted by 2kaltima_
> **No it doesn’t depend on the driver - the svt is a far superior car in the twisties. I don’t care if you are used to driving a sherman tank.**
:rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/94 "2003-11-06T13:36:29Z")
> _Originally posted by BlueZ28_
> **:rolleyes:**
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@imported\_showtime](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_showtime)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/95 "2003-11-06T13:41:11Z")
> _Originally posted by 2kaltima_
> **:rolleyes: :rolleyes:**
just give up bro…its like talking to a brick wall
:bash:
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### Author:  [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/96 "2003-11-06T13:46:50Z")
> _Originally posted by showtime_
> **just give up bro…its like talking to a brick wall**
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> **:bash:**
Ok - i’m done 😃
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### Author:  [@Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/97 "2003-11-06T13:49:31Z")
the major diff between the GTP and the Contour is…torque. The Contour has none. I find it to be a lot easier to slide torque through corners than a torqueless high revving motor
but then again thats something neither of you two had in a daily driven sense…at least not in a long time
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### Author:  [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/98 "2003-11-06T13:55:02Z")
> _Originally posted by BlueZ28_
> **the major diff between the GTP and the Contour is…torque. The Contour has none. I find it to be a lot easier to slide torque through corners than a torqueless high revving motor**
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> **but then again thats something neither of you two had in a daily driven sense…at least not in a long time**
Yea, torque is definately going to make a difference in handling in a fwd car. :rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/99 "2003-11-06T13:56:36Z")
> _Originally posted by BlueZ28_
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> **but then again thats something neither of you two had in a daily driven sense…at least not in a long time**
And there is no need to cut on our cars just because you look like a moron for saying a gtp will outhandle a svt contour. 😃
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### Author:  [@ohsoquik02](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ohsoquik02)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2003, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gto-ad/162586/100 "2003-11-06T14:11:53Z")
and this was about the gto :rolleyes:
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