# Gun guys step inside. Sub-compact/compact thoughts inside. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [March 28, 2010, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345 "2010-03-28T19:12:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/21 "2010-03-29T10:13:58Z")
> [@bing](#): > > being a Canadian i don’t get to shoot very often but i do every time there is a public range… vegas, Edmonton etc. > > i’ve shot a few dozen pistols and the one i would own just going by feel is a Sig-Sauer… i don’t know the model but everytime i shoot 3-4 pistols back to back it’s always the Sig that feels the best. > > for true gun guys, how are they thought of as guns? cool or Luger? Sig’s are a good gun, I’ve talked to many LEO’s and almost 90% of them are Sig/Glock guys. You’ll get a couple who perfer other brands but not often. > [@JayS](#): > > I think you can tell a lot about a gun manufacturer by the professional agencies that carry them. Sig-Sauer and Glock make up a huge portion of the police and military handgun market. These are people that trust their lives to their sidearm every day so to me their choices carry a lot of weight. > > It doesn’t really matter here though because you won’t see them carrying a little .380. Hell, a lot of agencies are starting to abandon the 9mm luger for the larger .40 cal. They have the advantage of not needing a 100% concealable weapon though. For an average citizen interested in concealed carry it’s more about having SOME kind of protection in the rare chance you need it. A little .380 might not be ideal for taking down an attacker but if it’s a gun you can always have with you it’s a hell of a lot better than a .45 in your safe at home. To put it another way… I’d rather be throwing .380 rounds than rocks. 🙂 +1 > [@FourEyed](#): > > Kimber ultra carry 2, a little lighter/smaller than the pro carry. This will be my next purchase. I own a glock 23, and at least to me, the recoil on the .40 is noticeably more snappy than the .45cal. I can shoot tighter with a .45 over the .40. Can’t go wrong with a Springfield xd9 either. The new gen of Glocks have an adjustable grip that rocks over the 3rd gen. You might want to try that out. I know Glock also has the single stack which offers a skinner grip, but that still doesn’t change the fact that there isn’t really a safety on the Glock and my wife isn’t comfortable with that. While I am, this gun isn’t just for me. ---
**Author:** ![Bull49](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bull49/32/7381_2.png) [@Bull49](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bull49)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/22 "2010-03-29T12:41:41Z")
there isn’t a safety in the sense that you don’t have to hit a switch or button to make it live, but there is a safety built into the trigger. if you don’t pull the trigger, it won’t fire. i personally like the idea of not having to hit a safety before firing a personal protection piece, but that’s just me. i also came in to suggest the keltec p3at, a compact .380 auto. it’s great for concealed carry, inexpensive, and reliable. but, it has no external safety so i guess that’s out. ---
**Author:** ![Bull49](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bull49/32/7381_2.png) [@Bull49](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bull49)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/23 "2010-03-29T12:41:56Z")
edit - double post ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/24 "2010-03-29T13:39:15Z")
+1 on liking the Glock safety systems for defensive carry. TRIGGER SAFETY As the first of the three GLOCK “Safe Action” safety features, the trigger safety prevents inadvertent firing by lateral forces on the trigger. Releasing the trigger will automatically reactivate the safety. FIRING PIN SAFETY The GLOCK firing pin safety is a solid hardened steel pin which, in the secured state, blocks the firing pin channel, rendering the igniting of a chambered cartridge by the firing pin impossible. The firing pin safety is only pushed upward to release the firing pin for firing when the trigger is pulled and the safety is pushed up through the backward movement of the trigger bar. Releasing the trigger will automatically reactivate the firing pin safety. DROP SAFETY In the line of duty it may happen that a loaded pistol is dropped on the floor. Contrary to conventional pistols, the GLOCK drop safety prevents unintentional firing of a shot through hard impact. When the trigger is pulled, the trigger bar is guided in a precision safety ramp. The trigger bar is deflected from this ramp only in the moment the shot is triggered. ---
**Author:** ![FourEyed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/foureyed/32/7216_2.png) [@FourEyed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FourEyed)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/25 "2010-03-29T13:39:49Z")
There are 3 internal safeties on the Glock, but like you said, they are not for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![08GT500](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/08gt500/32/5417_2.png) [@08GT500](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/08GT500)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/26 "2010-03-29T17:19:00Z")
I’ve heard of a few glock owners blowing holes in bathroom floors while droppin a deuce. Not a true safety in my eyes. ---
**Author:** ![bpipe95](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bpipe95/32/7294_2.png) [@bpipe95](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bpipe95)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/27 "2010-03-29T19:50:46Z")
I shot and wanted a p250, then I shot a glock… The glock made the p250 look rather poor. The p250 is very accurate and had a decent feel in the hand, but the trigger was more than piss poor. It is LOOOONNGGGG, stiff and gritty, it is always consistent but consistently bad. It also does not have a real safety on it, and IMO is less safe than a glock considering they are both a form of DOA. Unless you have taken a glock apart you wont realize just how safe they are, the way they work is both simple and very very reliable. Like stated previously they basically have 3 safeties and as far as i know they are one of if not the only pistol that where the striker has no spring pressure on it when you have one in the chamber. Basically making it impossible for it to go off unless you want it to. Go to your local gun store and break down a glock, once you see it you will understand what it actually takes to make it fire. ---
**Author:** ![Bull49](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bull49/32/7381_2.png) [@Bull49](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bull49)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/28 "2010-03-29T22:06:08Z")
> [@08GT500](#): > > I’ve heard of a few glock owners blowing holes in bathroom floors while droppin a deuce. Not a true safety in my eyes. they don’t fire if you don’t pull the trigger. jays stated the safety features already. i’m getting sick of people (not just here, but other places as well) saying that glocks don’t have a safety so they aren’t safe. they are ideal for emregency use. that’s why they are so widely used in law enforcement. having to flip a switch in the heat of the moment is not ideal. it sounds good on paper, but in practice, you want to draw and fire. > [@bpipe95](#): > > Unless you have taken a glock apart you wont realize just how safe they are, the way they work is both simple and very very reliable. Like stated previously they basically have 3 safeties and as far as i know they are one of if not the only pistol that where the striker has no spring pressure on it when you have one in the chamber. Basically making it impossible for it to go off unless you want it to. > > Go to your local gun store and break down a glock, once you see it you will understand what it actually takes to make it fire. this too. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/29 "2010-03-30T04:24:48Z")
I did a lot of reading before buying my glock and I did see some talk of “accidental” discharge. Then you start reading into it and it wasn’t really accidental, more like negligent. Mostly people breaking guns down for cleaning and not making sure a round wasn’t in the chamber. To decock a glock you pull the trigger. Any responsible gun owner would first eject the mag, cycle the slide then visually verify there was no round in the chamber. Even then you point the gun in a safe direction and pull the trigger. Instead you read stories like, “I never keep a round in the chamber so this one time I didn’t check… And blew a hole through my hand. Glocks suck”. Besides that, the gun has a chamber indicator on the slide. A little nub sticks out when a round is in the chamber. It’s not real clear looking at it but putting your trigger finger up along the slide the difference by feel is night and day. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 5:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/30 "2010-03-30T05:22:23Z")
Count me as the rare person that shot a Glock alongside something else and bought the something else. The Beretta. Both definitely quality guns but it just felt better in the hand. And looking at the target was a lot more pleasant. ---
**Author:** ![08GT500](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/08gt500/32/5417_2.png) [@08GT500](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/08GT500)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/31 "2010-03-30T07:59:50Z")
> [@Bull49](#): > > they don’t fire if you don’t pull the trigger. > > jays stated the safety features already. > > i’m getting sick of people (not just here, but other places as well) saying that glocks don’t have a safety so they aren’t safe. > > they are ideal for emregency use. that’s why they are so widely used in law enforcement. > > having to flip a switch in the heat of the moment is not ideal. it sounds good on paper, but in practice, you want to draw and fire. > > this too. Maybe I should be more specific so I’m not hurting feelings here… Yes, the Glock comes with the triple safety of the “safe action” pistol technology. What it does not come with is a practical (manual) safety in my opinion. Yes, you have to pull the trigger. Use whatever stains your wood. I personally do not chamber a round for my carry weapon so this doesn’t apply to me. Too many variables to worry about especially with kids around. ---------- Post added at 10:59 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:57 AM ---------- > [@Joe](#): > > Count me as the rare person that shot a Glock alongside something else and bought the something else. The Beretta. Both definitely quality guns but it just felt better in the hand. And looking at the target was a lot more pleasant. Same here Joe. I’ve put plenty of rounds through both the 22 and 23 and still prefer my xd. The Springfield was more practical for my application due to the external grip safety.[COLOR=“Silver”] ---------- Post added at 10:59 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:59 AM ---------- ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/32 "2010-03-30T08:06:13Z")
Three of my friends are LEOs, the only one that doesn’t have a Glock as their personal home firearm was an Army MP. Think he has a 92F and a Springfield Armory XD chambered in .40 S&W. Your wife will have to fire a few different weapons to decide which one she’s ultimately comfortable with. I think a .380 will be plenty of deterent. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/33 "2010-03-30T08:17:07Z")
[http://www.ruger.com/products/lcp/index.html?r=y](http://www.ruger.com/products/lcp/index.html?r=y) Is probably going to be my next pickup. Maybe as a father’s day present. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/34 "2010-03-30T08:17:55Z")
I could totally see buying whatever you shoot at work as your personal firearm. You have to be zeroed in on it anyway, might as well shoot what you’re comfortable with. Not to mention ammo, parts, etc. that could be “borrowed” ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/35 "2010-03-30T09:01:16Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > I could totally see buying whatever you shoot at work as your personal firearm. You have to be zeroed in on it anyway, might as well shoot what you’re comfortable with. Not to mention ammo, parts, etc. that could be “borrowed” I think that’s why the one guy has the Beretta - he qual’d on it in '98, been firing variants for over a decade. 9mm Parabellum rounds aren’t too expensive and they’re readily available. ---
**Author:** ![08GT500](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/08gt500/32/5417_2.png) [@08GT500](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/08GT500)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/36 "2010-03-30T09:08:02Z")
> [@TrueBlue](#): > > I think that’s why the one guy has the Beretta - he qual’d on it in '98, been firing variants for over a decade. 9mm Parabellum rounds aren’t too expensive and they’re readily available. The M9 is a fine piece. _edit_ It was the M9 right? ---
**Author:** ![Bull49](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bull49/32/7381_2.png) [@Bull49](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bull49)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/37 "2010-03-30T09:21:55Z")
> [@08GT500](#): > > Maybe I should be more specific so I’m not hurting feelings here… Yes, the Glock comes with the triple safety of the “safe action” pistol technology. What it does not come with is a practical (manual) safety in my opinion. Yes, you have to pull the trigger. Use whatever stains your wood. I personally do not chamber a round for my carry weapon so this doesn’t apply to me. Too many variables to worry about especially with kids around. > > ---------- Post added at 10:59 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:57 AM ---------- > > Same here Joe. I’ve put plenty of rounds through both the 22 and 23 and still prefer my xd. The Springfield was more practical for my application due to the external grip safety.[COLOR=“Silver”] > > ---------- Post added at 10:59 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:59 AM ---------- my feelings aren’t hurt, i get what you’re saying. i just don’t like the idea of a manual switch safety for a personal protection firearm. you lose dexterity when stress increases and odds are, when you need to use the gun, it’s gonna be an “oh shit!” point and shoot moment, and not what you practice at the range, finding the sights, etc. also i always have a round chambered. this goes back to the typical situation in which you need to use the gun. if someone pulls a knife or gun on me, i’m gonna draw and shoot, not draw, rack, then shoot. i don’t have kids around though, so i also understand why you do that. ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/38 "2010-03-30T09:56:55Z")
> [@08GT500](#): > > The M9 is a fine piece. > > _edit_ It was the M9 right? Yes sir. It was just what he knew and was comfortable with ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/39 "2010-03-30T10:50:29Z")
The real question is, which one shoots better sideways? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345/40 "2010-03-30T11:32:01Z")
92 FS for sideways shooting obviously… it’s the gun of hollywood. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-guys-step-inside-sub-compact-compact-thoughts-inside/152345.md?page=3)