# Gun Laws 01/14/2013 **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 14, 2013, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013 "2013-01-14T21:27:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Boxersix](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxersix/32/6327_2.png) [@Boxersix](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boxersix)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/341 "2013-02-14T13:34:06Z")
getting some support from manufactures now [http://www.yorkarms.com/ny.html](http://www.yorkarms.com/ny.html) as much as i hate them, cheaper than dirt dropped 100K to SAF Olympic has followed suit cancelling all orders to agencies in banning states. some say it’s an act to gain sales. true. but in the end it’s still them taking a stand with us. ---
**Author:** ![Boxersix](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxersix/32/6327_2.png) [@Boxersix](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boxersix)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/342 "2013-02-15T17:07:38Z")
thought this was interesting as well. Rough list of crimes that are, by law, considered LESS serious than owning a 30rd Pmag after 4/15 Owning a post-94 standard capacity magazine is worse than some forms of rape and murder. All of these crimes are LESS SERIOUS: 120.70 - Luring a child | E Felony 121.11 - Criminal obstruction of breathing or blood circulation | A Misdemeanor 125.10 - Criminally negligent homicide | E Felony 130.20 - Sexual misconduct | A Misdemeanor 130.25 - Rape 3rd degree | E Felony 130.40 - Criminal sexual act 3rd degree | E Felony 130.52 - Forcible touching | A Misdemeanor 130.53 - Persistent sexual abuse | E Felony (repeat child molester, must be caught and convicted in two separate cases before the charges even reach this level) 130.65A - Aggravated sexual abuse 4th degree | E Felony 130.85 - Female genital mutilation | E Felony 135.05 - Unlawful imprisonment 2nd degree | A Misdemeanor 135.10 - Unlawful imprisonment 1st degree | E Felony 135.45 - Custodial interference 2nd degree | A Misdemeanor 135.50 - Custodial interference 1st degree | E Felony 135.55 - Substitution of children | E Felony (switched at birth type of thing) 135.60 - Coercion 2nd degree | A Misdemeanor 150.01 - 5th degree Arson | A Misdemeanor 150.05 - 4th degree Arson | E Felony 178.10 - 4th degree Criminal diversion of prescription medications and prescriptions | A Misdemeanor 178.15 - 3rd degree Criminal diversion of prescription medications and prescriptions | E Felony 220.28 - Use of a child to commit a controlled substance offense | E Felony 240.05 - Riot 2nd degree | A Misdemeanor 240.06 - Riot 1st degree | E Felony 240.08 - Inciting to riot | A Misdemeanor 240.10 - Unlawful assembly | B Misdemeanor 240.15 - Criminal anarchy | E Felony 240.20 - Disorderly conduct | Violation 240.61 - Placing a false bomb or hazardous substance 2nd degree | E Felony 250.45 - Unlawful surveillance 2nd degree | E felony (Hidden cams for sexual gratification) 255.25 - Incest 3rd degree | E Felony 263.11 - Possessing an obscene sexual performance by a child | E Felony 263.16 - Possessing a sexual performance by a child | E Felony Anyone else feel sick yet? ---
**Author:** ![IOM\_G8\_GT\_888](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5f8ce5/32.png) [@IOM\_G8\_GT\_888](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/IOM_G8_GT_888)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/343 "2013-02-15T17:37:54Z")
wowwwwww speechless. ---
**Author:** ![JSEnclosures](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jsenclosures/32/6678_2.png) [@JSEnclosures](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JSEnclosures)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/344 "2013-02-15T18:30:16Z")
Incest is actually a felony? You guys from duanesburgh are fucked! ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/345 "2013-02-15T18:38:37Z")
> [@Painting A Car?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/painting-a-car/51746/4): > > Incest is actually a felony? **You guys from duanesburgh are fucked**! And not just by their family members! ---
**Author:** ![pitman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4da419/32.png) [@pitman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/pitman)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/346 "2013-02-16T10:30:09Z")
is owning a sliencer the same as 30rd mag after 4/15? i cant believe that is the law. makes me wonder who could think having a piece of metal is worse than those things ---
**Author:** ![Boxersix](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxersix/32/6327_2.png) [@Boxersix](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boxersix)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/347 "2013-02-16T14:19:09Z")
A supressor is a regulated item under the NFA by the ATF, but yeah pretty much the same penalty in this state now. ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/348 "2013-02-16T14:52:37Z")
> [@You wont be seeing me around much](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-wont-be-seeing-me-around-much/51720/17): > > A supressor is a regulated item under the NFA by the ATF, but yeah pretty much the same penalty in this state now. Here’s a tidbit of info on what I’m reading on the ATF NFA Wiki… If caught with a suppressor or ANY NFA item that you haven’t paid the tax stamp for, you’ll not only be subject to the state’s laws concerning owning the item and it not being registered (or in a state that bans it outright), but also will be subject to tax evasion penalties which fo this would be up to five years in prison. So have at it pitman, make a few oil filter suppressors. ---
**Author:** ![Omega](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/omega/32/6425_2.png) [@Omega](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Omega)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/349 "2013-02-16T17:57:03Z")
I will just leave this here… [http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/item/the-post-in-which-i-piss-off-everybody](http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/item/the-post-in-which-i-piss-off-everybody) > Or, How I Learned To Stop Caring. > By way of introduction, I’d like to explain some of my former positions. Please do not reply and tell me why I’m wrong. That’s not relevant to this post. These WERE my positions, for right or wrong. > I used to believe women had a right to reproductive choice. As a male, I will obviously never have an abortion. I supported access because birth control is cheaper than abortions, abortions are cheaper than welfare, welfare is cheaper than jail. And I don’t believe the government is capable of legislating for every circumstance. Most of the time, a woman and her doctor will make a decision that works for the situation, and until a baby is an independent organism, it’s a parasite. This was also important to me because my wife was warned that a further pregnancy could kill her. That’s been surgically remedied and is no longer a problem. > I used to believe gays were entitled to relate as they wished, including marriage. What two people do together doesn’t affect me unless I’m one of them. > I used to believe it was wrong to treat people differently based on their skin color. Even if a few people fit a stereotype, millions of others do not. > I used to believe there should be a strong division between church and state, that any support of a religious entity using property of the state constituted endorsement and was wrong. > I used to believe people had a right to protest, campaign, rant and create non-violent incidents to express themselves and their positions. I also believed they had a right to publish as they chose. I believed they were entitled to burn the Flag in protest, to make a statement. > I have obviously been at odds with conservatives over these positions. There have been loud arguments, heated discussions and occasional insults. > ```auto > > ``` > I believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms. The Supreme Court agrees with me, which means that right is as valid as abortion, sexual privacy, protest and speech. > This should mean that strict scrutiny applies, meaning the government needs to prove the fabric of society itself is at risk before limiting it. Just as the Press has the right to broadcast troop movements it can see or acquire, regardless of casualties, I have the right to own weapons, regardless of how someone else may act. “Someone might get hurt” is an invalid excuse for restriction. > In fact, it’s easy enough to prove that freedom of the press HAS caused harm and even death to people, whether it’s troop movements, or the address of a person of interest. > The rights of gays to relate as they wish brings the risk of AIDS (60% of all cases are from gay relations, not drugs or medical contamination.) > It’s provable that if we required proof of need before awarding a driver’s license, we’d have less car accidents. > So, the argument that “guns kill people” is null and irrelevant to the discussion. Lots of things kill people. That’s not relevant to our civil rights. > Now, over this position, I’ve had at least 5 death threats (though of course, no “liberal” actually has the balls to attempt so). > I’ve twice been reported to Family Services on the grounds that I have guns in the house, which means I’m a danger to my kids (which complaints were laughed at, here in Indiana). > I’ve been accused of racism…because I own guns. > I’ve been accused of fascism…because I own guns. > I’ve been called a coward…no “real man” needs a gun to protect himself. This is a surprise to me as a veteran, who carried guns regularly for the purpose of protecting myself and others, but what do I know? > I’ve been called a “Fat, Fox News watching, McDonald’s munching, inbred, retarded, drooling redneck imbecile.” > I’ve been told I have a small penis. > I’ve been told I’m insane to “imagine fighting the government” by people with no military experience who also hate the government, sometimes for the same reasons. > I’ve had a date tell me I “seem so normal, for a gun nut.” > I’ve been called a “rightwinger.” Indeed. A gay/female/black/abortion/separation of church and state/free speech supporting rightwinger. > I’ve been told this right doesn’t exist, that if it exists I can’t “pretend” it’s more important than wage inequality for women, or gay marriage. > When the Heller Decision was decided in favor of gun ownership, I was told “I hope you all shoot yourselves with guns, because I can’t marry the man I love!” by an alleged friend. > There’s apparently a “Right to feel safe,” and my owning a gun destroys it, because I might shoot someone. However, if I say a gun makes me feel safe, I’m paranoid and insane. > I’ve been told I support “baby killers.” > I’ve been threatened with having my Wikipedia page vandalized, by someone who claimed he was more of a man than me. > I’ve been told I can’t be trusted. How can anyone know I won’t go on a shooting spree, because I own an “assault rifle”? > So much for liberal tolerance. > I didn’t realize I was so evil and hateful an individual I deserved to be treated in such fashion. > But when I look at the arguments, I think they may be correct: > “At the time the Constitution was written, the weapons in question were muskets.” > You know what? You’re right. And marriage was between one man and one woman. So what’s with gay marriage? No longer will I offer any moral support, oppose any online statements attacking it, speak out for it. They have the same right as anyone—to marry someone of the opposite gender. And given that all gays support raping little boys (just like all gun owners support shooting school kids), I don’t think I can support them. We should do things just the way they were done 220 years ago. That’s the liberal way. > “The Heller Decision was by an activist court. It doesn’t count.” > Indeed. Just like Roe v Wade was an activist decision. It doesn’t count. > “We’re not trying to take your guns away, just have reasonable limits. It’s a compromise.” > And some people want reasonable limits on abortion, like waiting periods, gestational time limits, ultrasound, etc. It’s a reasonable response to an activist court decision, and reasonable restrictions on a right, for public benefit. Don’t come whining about your right to murder babies, and I won’t come to you whining about my right to shoot school kids. > And no one is saying you can’t ride the bus. You just have to sit where people think is reasonable. No one is saying women can’t work. They just have to get paid what is reasonable for the work they do, allowing for the fact they’re going to leave the workplace and raise a family. It’s a compromise. > “Assault weapons are an extreme interpretation.” > True. And not allowing any religious emblems on government premises is an extreme interpretation. As long as they’re privately paid for, what’s it to you? No one is saying you can’t belong to the Christian church of your choice, just not to extreme groups, like atheists or Muslims. It would be paranoid to think anyone was trying to infringe on your legitimate right to be free from state religion, just like I’d be paranoid to think they wanted to take my guns. Quite a few states had official churches well into the 1800s. This is not an infringement on your freedom of religion. > “Given Sandy Hook, you have to make reasonable compromises.” > “We just want licensing and safe storage requirements so the wrong people don’t get guns.” > “Publicizing the information lets people make informed choices about who they live near.” > Accepted. In exchange, gay men should make reasonable compromises over Penn State. They will simply have to accept being registered and kept a safe distance from children. This isn’t a violation of their rights. It’s just common sense. The public has a right to know. > This should apply to protests, too. No reasonable person would object to being identified. They should welcome it—it means they can’t be wrongly maligned. All union members, blacks, gays and feminists should be signed in with ID before a march or gathering, just so we can track the real criminals to keep the rest safe. > “The country survived without assault weapons for 240 years.” > True (well, no, it was 135 years, depending on your definition of “assault weapon”). And it survived without women in combat even longer. The infantry’s trying to scare off women? Serves them right. Things were working just fine the way they were. > “This woman is being badly portrayed on the cover of a book.” > No, no, that’s an accurate portrayal, just like all military contractors are sociopathic mercenaries who torture people, all gun owners are moral cowards with Walter Mitty complexes and all gun dealers exist to make money from gangbangers. It’s silly to suggest one group is singled out for inaccurate portrayals when we know the other portrayals are spot on. > Yup. I’m taking you at your word. Want money? Don’t care. Want a petition signed? Call someone who who gives a shit. Want a link spread? Yawn. Women or gays or blacks or Hispanics don’t feel they’re being treated nicely? So what? > ```auto > > ``` > First they came for the blacks, and I spoke up because it was wrong, even though I’m not black. > Then they came for the gays, and I spoke up, even though I’m not gay. > Then they came for the Muslims, and I spoke up, because it was wrong, even though I’m an atheist. > When they came for illegal aliens, I spoke up, even though I’m a legal immigrant. > Then they came for the pornographers, rebels and dissenters and their speech and flag burning, and I spoke up, because rights are not only for the establishment. > Then they came for the gun owners, and you liberal shitbags threw me under the bus, even though I’d done nothing wrong. So when they come to put you on the train, you can fucking choke and die. > ```auto > > ``` > Or you can commit seppuku with a chainsaw. I really don’t care anymore. This is the end of my support for any liberal cause, because liberals have become anything but. ---
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/350 "2013-02-16T18:12:00Z")
TL;DR ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/351 "2013-02-22T08:12:00Z")
End of march… we are in trouble. SRS thread ---
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/352 "2013-02-22T10:11:25Z")
whut ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/353 "2013-02-22T10:13:59Z")
> [@Murrdog9000"](#): > > whut check the srs thread. I aint posting the information I found here. ---
**Author:** ![RTrac1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rtrac1/32/6312_2.png) [@RTrac1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RTrac1)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/354 "2013-02-22T10:19:07Z")
someone get me into srs who took me out of there anyway? ---
**Author:** ![d\_gage](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/d_gage/32/6321_2.png) [@d\_gage](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d_gage)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/355 "2013-02-22T10:20:16Z")
> [@Hydrogen Powered Equinox... I have one!! \*\*PICS\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hydrogen-powered-equinox-i-have-one-pics/51646/56): > > someone get me into srs > > who took me out of there anyway? Exactly, same here. new guys… ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/356 "2013-02-22T10:21:31Z")
I’ll add you guys. I can vouch. ---
**Author:** ![RTrac1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rtrac1/32/6312_2.png) [@RTrac1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RTrac1)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/357 "2013-02-22T10:26:54Z")
Thanks Christopher ---
**Author:** ![d\_gage](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/d_gage/32/6321_2.png) [@d\_gage](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d_gage)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/358 "2013-02-22T10:28:55Z")
> [@WTB: beginner bike (250) LEGAL tomorrow 7/21](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-beginner-bike-250-legal-tomorrow-7-21/51810/8): > > Thanks Christopher Yes, thank you ---
**Author:** ![SlackJ94](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slackj94/32/6325_2.png) [@SlackJ94](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SlackJ94)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/359 "2013-02-22T11:07:33Z")
Can someone pull the sensitive bits out and post it here for those not allowed in SRS? ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gun-laws-01-14-2013/266013/360 "2013-02-22T12:04:52Z")
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