# H22 Vs. B18C5 **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [August 18, 2006, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133 "2006-08-18T15:26:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kingsario](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kingsario/32/7572_2.png) [@kingsario](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kingsario)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/41 "2006-08-19T09:20:34Z")
> [@b18ctrb](#): > > GSR block with a B16 head is a good combo call “cheap mans type R” :banghead: ---
**Author:** ![kingsario](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kingsario/32/7572_2.png) [@kingsario](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kingsario)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/42 "2006-08-19T09:21:20Z")
> [@Dex](#): > > can you explain why? i really know nothing about hondas and i am very interested. > > edit: thanks. [www.honda-tech.com](http://www.honda-tech.com) ---
**Author:** ![kingsario](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kingsario/32/7572_2.png) [@kingsario](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kingsario)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/43 "2006-08-19T09:21:42Z")
:eek: holy fawkn posts ---
**Author:** ![kingsario](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kingsario/32/7572_2.png) [@kingsario](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kingsario)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/44 "2006-08-19T09:23:13Z")
> [@ILCisDEAD](#): > > why the fuck would you spend the money for a c5 and boost it…? :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh: ---
**Author:** ![layzie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/layzie/32/7599_2.png) [@layzie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/layzie)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/45 "2006-08-19T10:27:27Z")
h22 dont belong in civics. its weight transfor is to the back when the b series are towards teh front and its heavier and weaker then a b series. i hate h series motors btw ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/46 "2006-08-19T10:37:37Z")
stock for stock, the Type R swap would be better suited for auto X. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/47 "2006-08-19T10:52:34Z")
> [@neurokinetik](#): > > Spend your money on some quality suspension components, and wide wheels with the stickiest, widest tires you can get (either Hoosiers of Kumho V710s) and you go ALOT faster. (After you dial it all in of course) Nah, let’s spend all the budget on the motor and then complain that tires and entry fees are too expensive or pass up track events because the car isn’t “tuned” yet. Let’s buy suspensions that lower the car but when asked what the spring rates are come up with a blank look on our face. If a SP is capable of FTD why the fuck spend $3k to heat up the fronts faster? ---
**Author:** ![Turbo99](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbo99/32/7509_2.png) [@Turbo99](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turbo99)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/48 "2006-08-19T14:51:01Z")
Wow…lots of people saying different things. For the hell of it, I vote F20 + H22 pistons + K24 crank = RWD F24 ---
**Author:** ![blk\_hatch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@blk\_hatch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/blk_hatch)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/49 "2006-08-19T17:19:06Z")
B-serious. as for the H22 trash that idea. while it does have it’s advantages (one being torque, another is cost.) it’s more difficult to swap in, actual good parts are few and far between save for of course the few decent specialty shops that cater to accords and H22’s Also the increased weight of the swap is definitly detrimental to his goals. the added weight over the fronts may be better suited for drag racing than auto-xing as it upsets the factory weight distribution and also the engine sits about 2-3" inches higher having a negative effect on the center of gravity. (most serious drift, and time attack cars try to lower the engine and move it as far back in the engine bay as possible to lower the center of gravity and help in weight distribution.) bottom line b-series is cheaper, more parts available for cheaper, lighter weight. ---
**Author:** ![Bacon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bacon/32/7230_2.png) [@Bacon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bacon)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/50 "2006-08-19T17:20:30Z")
![http://www.komputer.dk/bohp/road/Classic/Shared/bildbank/keyboard/f12.gif](http://www.komputer.dk/bohp/road/Classic/Shared/bildbank/keyboard/f12.gif) F12 Swap FTW it’s super-light. Seriously though if he’s just going to use it for Auto-X, just upgrade the suspension/tires. It will help a lot more. And keep you in an easier to compete class. A motor swap is just going to result roasting tires off, and weight-reduction in the wallet. If you want a swap my vote leads towards the B-series as the weight savings would be beneficial. Power while it is nice isn’t the most needed, when it mostly comes down to driver skill. Proof is in “The Corolla of DOOM”. ---
**Author:** ![ILCisDEAD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a87d85/32.png) [@ILCisDEAD](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILCisDEAD)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/51 "2006-08-19T18:19:14Z")
> [@blk\_hatch](#): > > as for the H22 trash that idea. while it does have it’s advantages (one being torque, another is cost.) it’s more difficult to swap in its not hard at all… just mounts and weird axles… all of which you can find on the internet within 5 min… but the egs have that axle bind issue with the h22 cause it sits too low ---
**Author:** ![Zer0DazE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zer0daze/32/7624_2.png) [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/52 "2006-08-20T06:25:54Z")
wow look how awesome the power is out of the h22 ![http://www.innovativetuningdl.com/dyno/MaxPower/CMancuso4.23.05.gif](http://www.innovativetuningdl.com/dyno/MaxPower/CMancuso4.23.05.gif) oh, and this is cammed, and has a bump up in compression :bloated: heres a cammed itr also with a bump up in compression ![http://www.maxpowertuning.com/dyno.jpg](http://www.maxpowertuning.com/dyno.jpg) and here is joes old k20a dyno (stock with a header) ![http://www.zer0daze.com/pics/dynos/k20a.jpg](http://www.zer0daze.com/pics/dynos/k20a.jpg) (that tq line is flat where its missing) gee which would i rather have? look at all that tq the k20a doesnt have down low :bloated: ---
**Author:** ![tommiboi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@tommiboi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tommiboi)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/53 "2006-08-20T06:56:36Z")
[QUOTE=Zer0DazE]wow look how awesome the power is out of the h22 ![http://www.innovativetuningdl.com/dyno/MaxPower/CMancuso4.23.05.gif](http://www.innovativetuningdl.com/dyno/MaxPower/CMancuso4.23.05.gif) oh, and this is cammed, and has a bump up in compression :bloated: heres a cammed itr also with a bump up in compression ![http://www.maxpowertuning.com/dyno.jpg](http://www.maxpowertuning.com/dyno.jpg) something is wrong with this person engine because it shouldn’t be that low… stock dyno for jdm engine with basic bolt on should yield more power than than. Take pennywise, dyno for example… plus dynojet reads higher than other dyno…I’m not saying the h22 is better than the k20, ofcourse it’s not but with the cost of the k20a still so high, I think if i was in his situation, it would be better to go with b series for better handling in auto cross. ![http://www.loudaccord.com/images/loudaccorddyno.jpg](http://www.loudaccord.com/images/loudaccorddyno.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 8:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/54 "2006-08-20T08:11:56Z")
I don’t think that’s my dyno :gotme: ---
**Author:** ![sureshot007](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot007/32/7345_2.png) [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/55 "2006-08-20T17:55:38Z")
Ok - I get annoyed at threads like this because everyone talks out their ass. First - if you don’t have (or had at one point) either swap - your opinion is duely noted, but useless. Second - If you don’t AUTOX, your opinion is also useless (and by autox, I mean, being good at it). So here is the answer, which was already mentioned earlier in this thread. If you want a winning autox car, the B18C5 is worlds better, as proven by Chris Travis (look up his results at national events). He beat George Little Jr’s eclipse by 4 seconds overall (2 seconds in the wet!). However, also in front of George was the Janusz’ car, as mentioned, is an EF with a D16. Autox is about handling and driving ability. Spend the money on suspension and tires. So the rest of you can continue going on and on about what you may “think” you need for an autox car, but you can’t argue with results. Dale’s stock ITR is a very, very fast autox car partly because of a good setup, but mostly because of a great driver. ---
**Author:** ![BluBalls](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bluballs/32/7212_2.png) [@BluBalls](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BluBalls)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/56 "2006-08-20T18:36:37Z")
there is a lot of shitty info in this thread. if you have the money, k20 is the way to go. If not, both the B and the H CAN work well for auto-x. There was a vid on Honda-tech of a 4dr H22 civic crushing people at an auto-x event. There are also vids of c5 civics crushing, just depends on what floats your boat. ---
**Author:** ![Daddie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/daddie/32/7621_2.png) [@Daddie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Daddie)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/57 "2006-08-20T19:01:24Z")
Before I even think about recommending you a motor, I’d like to say this : Have fun competing against the SM heavyweights… if you really wanna AutoX, suspension + tires ftw Figure out what you can do in a particular class, and do everything, nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![RobY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@RobY](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RobY)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/58 "2006-08-20T19:10:43Z")
Considering what SK is fighting with hes been pulling off some nice times in his corolla of doom. Also who won the novice class last weekend at bimp? Thats right a bone stock oldsmobile alero. I also belive that alero was a dual driver car 56, 156 (NHS) the diffrence in the drivers was about 3-4 seconds. There was NO diffrence in the car. Proving you dont need to mod out your car to be competitive. Modding the driver GENUINELY is more important than modding your car. I NEVER quite grasped this until I started getting really into Auto-X. At BIMP I tested out this theory… My first run I attacked the course with no rhyme or reason. Ended up with a 67.xxx on my course. The 3rd run I actually concentrated on hitting my apicies and I ended up with a 61.xxx an improvement of 6 seconds on a 1 minute course just by modifying my driving technique. NO amount of horsepower is going to make up for crappy driving. If the diffrence between crappy driving and OK driving is 6 seconds god knows what the diffrence is between crappy driving and GOOD driving. In the end power is just a veil to hide deficencies in driving. It can help to a point. Then you get to a point where you add more power than you can handle and end up getting beat by people with half the horsepower that REALLY know what they are doing. > [@FuzzyFish](#): > > Power while it is nice isn’t the most needed, when it mostly comes down to driver skill. Proof is in “The Corolla of DOOM”. ---
**Author:** ![Zer0DazE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zer0daze/32/7624_2.png) [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2006, 5:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/59 "2006-08-21T05:00:07Z")
> [@tommiboi](#): > > snip all the dynos were corrected to match dyno jet numbers and yes joe, that is your dyno. i have the entire winpep folder off spinas machine 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BluBalls](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bluballs/32/7212_2.png) [@BluBalls](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BluBalls)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2006, 6:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133/60 "2006-08-21T06:40:42Z")
> [@Zer0DazE](#): > > all the dynos were corrected to match dyno jet numbers > > and yes joe, that is your dyno. i have the entire winpep folder off spinas machine 🙂 he wasn’t arguing about that… there was something wrong with that H22 engine is what he was saying. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/h22-vs-b18c5/16133.md?page=4)