# Hand Helds!!! BAN!!!
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802
**Category:** SON240sx Automotive
**Created:** [April 22, 2009, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802 "2009-04-22T13:40:53Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 2
### Author:  [@spd-dmn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/spd-dmn)
#### Post date: [April 22, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/21 "2009-04-22T19:38:04Z")
yeah now you just gotta become a pro at reading comprehension!
like it’s been said, the ban won’t be in effect till at least after the summer
and this ban is stupid anyway
it’s not holding a phone that causes drivers to be distracted. it’s focusing on the conversation rather than the road around you.
talking hands free does very little to restore your attention to the road compared to holding a phone.
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### Author:  [@NewfoundlandDude](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/NewfoundlandDude)
#### Post date: [April 22, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/22 "2009-04-22T19:46:36Z")
They suggest that taking your eyes off the road to dial numbers / text / use your ipod is the real danger, rather than having the conversation, as you can have a conversation safely with a passenger, etc. There’s been a ban here in NL for a few years now, and I’ve ran into it at work previous to that. It’s good to keep people off their phones and concentrate on the road, but people will always do it regardless.
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### Author:  [@Lum15](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Lum15)
#### Post date: [April 22, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/23 "2009-04-22T19:50:58Z")
^^^ true to that…
I can actually be on the phone and just not pay attention as much to the call and be fine … it’s when you get too into the conversation that you start sucking.
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### Author:  [@weaves](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/weaves)
#### Post date: [April 22, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/24 "2009-04-22T20:03:49Z")
There the pooolice, they can do what they want, sadly its there word against yours…
How do you think they convict ppl for not signaling or running a red? Same as they would for you talking on a cell phone.
Sitdown.
> [@Buckle up: Christian gaming just went mainstream.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buckle-up-christian-gaming-just-went-mainstream/21646/3):
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> Unless the cop has you on video talkn on ur cell or holding your cell high in the air With ur eyes fixed on it texting, there is no way they’ll make any of these fines stick lol. Bills like this are just to scare ppl. Don’t sweat it ppl. If u Get slammed with a ticket, just fight it and you will win because the officer has to prove without any reasonable doubt that u Were in fact using ur handheld. And without video evidence its his word against yours and good thing is its not the accused that has to prove there innocence, its on the cop to prove your guilt
Exactly its the conversation that is the problem, no matter if your talking with it in your hand or if you have a bluetooth.
> [@FS:universal fit Ram Air hood scoop](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-universal-fit-ram-air-hood-scoop/21267/16):
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> it’s not holding a phone that causes drivers to be distracted. **it’s focusing on the conversation** rather than the road around you.
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### Author:  [@CSK-240-R1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/CSK-240-R1)
#### Post date: [April 22, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/25 "2009-04-22T20:06:07Z")
> [@Buckle up: Christian gaming just went mainstream.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buckle-up-christian-gaming-just-went-mainstream/21646/3):
>
> Unless the cop has you on video talkn on ur cell or holding your cell high in the air With ur eyes fixed on it texting, there is no way they’ll make any of these fines stick lol. Bills like this are just to scare ppl. Don’t sweat it ppl. If u Get slammed with a ticket, just fight it and you will win because the officer has to prove without any reasonable doubt that u Were in fact using ur handheld. And without video evidence its his word against yours and good thing is its not the accused that has to prove there innocence, its on the cop to prove your guilt
really? so why would a cop pull you over and give you a ticket for being on the phone if you weren’t…
they dont have to prove anything, if you fight it you have to prove you are innocent it’s simply thier word against yours
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### Author:  [@CSK-240-R1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/CSK-240-R1)
#### Post date: [April 22, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/26 "2009-04-22T20:07:46Z")
lol ^ apparently we have the same view
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### Author:  [@Tacoboy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Tacoboy)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2009, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/27 "2009-04-23T00:06:18Z")
> [@mmmm equinox sporty](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mmmm-equinox-sporty/21647/11):
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> really? so why would a cop pull you over and give you a ticket for being on the phone if you weren’t…
> they dont have to prove anything, if you fight it you have to prove you are innocent it’s simply thier word against yours
Aparently you don’t know how our court system works here in Canada. You don’t have to prove shit. The onus of proof is on the Crown. They have to prove **BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT** that you were guilty. I see alot of these tickets being thrown out.
The next time I see a police officer on the phone in a cruiser, I am calling their plates in.
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### Author:  [@i-Drift](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/i-Drift)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/28 "2009-04-23T00:24:37Z")
wow i paid $505 worth of tickets day before yesterday and york civic center was Jaaaaamm packed the city is raping us for money
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### Author:  [@HayMakr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HayMakr)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2009, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/29 "2009-04-23T00:59:08Z")
> [@Automobili Lamborghini!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/automobili-lamborghini/20865/105):
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> Aparently you don’t know how our court system works here in Canada. You don’t have to prove shit. The onus of proof is on the Crown. They have to prove **BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT** that you were guilty. I see alot of these tickets being thrown out.
>
> The next time I see a police officer on the phone in a cruiser, I am calling their plates in.
took the words out of my mouth.
ppl are just too stupid to realize that this is the way the legal system works. they just figure “ohh its the cops word against mine and the judge will believe him”. so they bite the bullet and pay the ticket.
its not like a muffler ticket where its a judgment call by the officer. this new “hand-held” law is you are on your phone or your not. its not the cops “opinion” its all facts and if he cannot prove the fact he’s shit out of luck.
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### Author:  [@Tacoboy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Tacoboy)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2009, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/30 "2009-04-23T01:28:14Z")
^^ holy someone with a brain. Thank you.
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### Author:  [@driftRPS13](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/driftRPS13)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2009, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/31 "2009-04-23T04:27:24Z")
> [@best place to buy some ice skates](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/best-place-to-buy-some-ice-skates/21649/2):
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> yo im a pro at driving on my phone with a coffee and a smoke. i feel i should be exempt.
+1
coffee in one hand, smoke in mouth, phone in other hand or on speaker in my lap, all while city driving with a manual transmission.
we get a get-out-of-jail-free card.
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### Author:  [@Sato\_Tatsuya](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sato_Tatsuya)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2009, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/32 "2009-04-23T04:32:55Z")
Yeah, since it’s the conversation that’s distracting the driver then…why not ban having passengers in the car?!! We might get too distracted with talking to them instead of focusing on the road! shooooo…
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### Author:  [@87s15lt1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/87s15lt1)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2009, 5:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/33 "2009-04-23T05:45:10Z")
> [@Automobili Lamborghini!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/automobili-lamborghini/20865/105):
>
> Aparently you don’t know how our court system works here in Canada. You don’t have to prove shit. The onus of proof is on the Crown. They have to prove **BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT** that you were guilty. I see alot of these tickets being thrown out.
>
> The next time I see a police officer on the phone in a cruiser, I am calling their plates in.
Guess no one knows emergency personal is exempt from this law?
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### Author:  [@spd-dmn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/spd-dmn)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2009, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/34 "2009-04-23T07:26:27Z")
MEMO
TO: all tards that think “innocent till proven gulity” on paper means the same thing in practice
RE: the burden of proof of our legal system
What’s written on paper is not always how things go in real life.
Best example: the Street Racing/Stunting legislation. If charged with a racing or stunting offense, you are punished at the road side before even standing trial.
Show me “innocent before proven guilty” in that case.
Also, good luck with your “no i wasn’t” defense.
If you believe that an officer’s oral testimony does not count as sufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you were on your phone while driving, you are living in a fantasy world.
If that were the case, NO charges would EVER stick when being disputed in court.
The officer’s notes and his oral testimony are all the “facts” the Crown needs to prove their case.
Of course there are defenses, and with lawyers, of course people get off all the time. But that’s because of plea bargaining and actual defenses submitted by lawyers.
Just saying “he can’t prove it. i didn’t do it” is not a defense anywhere and will get laughed at.
Go sit in a courtroom for a day.
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### Author:  [@weaves](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/weaves)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2009, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/35 "2009-04-23T07:29:17Z")
hahaha pwned
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### Author:  [@Browntown\_01](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Browntown_01)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2009, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/36 "2009-04-23T07:30:21Z")
> [@STI face lift.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sti-face-lift/21554/68):
>
> MEMO
>
> TO: all tards that think “innocent till proven gulity” on paper means the same thing in practice
>
> RE: the burden of proof of our legal system
>
> What’s written on paper is not always how things go in real life.
>
> Best example: the Street Racing/Stunting legislation. If charged with a racing or stunting offense, you are punished at the road side before even standing trial.
>
> Show me “innocent before proven guilty” in that case.
>
> Also, good luck with your “no i wasn’t” defense.
>
> If you believe that an officer’s oral testimony does not count as sufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you were on your phone while driving, you are living in a fantasy world.
>
> If that were the case, NO charges would EVER stick when being disputed in court.
>
> The officer’s notes and his oral testimony are all the “facts” the Crown needs to prove their case.
>
> Of course there are defenses, and with lawyers, of course people get off all the time. But that’s because of plea bargaining and actual defenses submitted by lawyers.
>
> Just saying “he can’t prove it. i didn’t do it” is not a defense anywhere and will get laughed at.
>
> Go sit in a courtroom for a day.
THANK YOU… people smarten up… if it comes down to your word vs the cop… like haymakr says, well then your toast… its worse with stunting… if he thinks your stunting you lose your car and license for 7 days and pay impound and towing fees WHETHER YOU WERE OR NOT… doesn’t matter, this is no different.
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### Author:  [@weaves](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/weaves)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2009, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/37 "2009-04-23T07:36:33Z")
> [@Juiced tC?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/juiced-tc/21412/23):
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> THANK YOU… people smarten up… if it comes down to your word vs the cop… like haymakr says, well then your toast… its worse with stunting… if he thinks your stunting you lose your car and license for 7 days and pay impound and towing fees WHETHER YOU WERE OR NOT… doesn’t matter, this is no different.
Haymaker doesn’t think the officers word can get him charged! He’s above the law 🙂
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### Author:  [@R33](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/R33)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2009, 7:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/38 "2009-04-23T07:47:03Z")
tinted windows FTW
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### Author:  [@Hurricane](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hurricane)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2009, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/39 "2009-04-23T08:14:31Z")
They haven’t even set a date for when this takes effect yet… calm down jeeez
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### Author:  [@logik23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/logik23)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2009, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hand-helds-ban/123802/40 "2009-04-23T13:01:06Z")
Like other people said, holding the phone is what distracts you, it’s the conversation.
And I know people will say “but you can talk to passengers”, but it is not at all the same.
Let’s say you drive with a passenger and the two of you are talking, you might both be involved in the conversation, but you are both looking out the windshield. If someone slams on the brakes in front of you, you have 2 people at 50% attention span. And if the passenger notices, he will stop talking and you will realize something is wrong and look in front of you.
Let’s say you are on the phone, even with a bluetooth, the person on the other line is talking their headoff and you are listening to them. If someone brakes in front of you and you smash into them, the person on the other end of the line is still talking.
Besides, holding a hamburger while on the phone with your bluetooth is legal, but even more distracting.
Government fails again.
By the way, this law has been around in Quebec since last year, but here you also get 3 points! But the law is only for phones. You can use your MP3 player or walkie talkie as long as their is no phone built into the device.
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