# Having Trouble Pickin Turbo **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [June 10, 2005, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870 "2005-06-10T10:47:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ritalin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/74df32/32.png) [@ritalin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ritalin)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2005, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/21 "2005-06-11T13:03:44Z")
Turbo sizing is your best friend. ---
**Author:** ![fmfkid250](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fmfkid250/32/5973_2.png) [@fmfkid250](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fmfkid250)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2005, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/22 "2005-06-11T15:34:07Z")
I think u should go all motor! ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2005, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/23 "2005-06-11T17:17:55Z")
> [@BoostedITR41](#): > > most people don’t want 22lbs pumping into the motor at a minimum. can you say detonation on pump gas? sam we don’t run honda compression my 50 trim dindt’ start making power till 22lbs and 25 with no knock on pump ---
**Author:** ![imported\_gearhead](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_gearhead/32/5957_2.png) [@imported\_gearhead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_gearhead)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/24 "2005-06-12T07:10:58Z")
If you got the fuel to keep the combustion temps down, it isn’t going to detonate. Pump gas + big boost = BIG fuel system! 1000cc injectors? auh…DUAL pumps??? :bigthumb: ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/25 "2005-06-12T10:32:19Z")
gonna be on the bottle too ---
**Author:** ![imported\_SINISTER](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_sinister/32/5970_2.png) [@imported\_SINISTER](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_SINISTER)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/26 "2005-06-12T14:04:41Z")
> [@Stroker](#): > > I WANT SOMETING THAT WILL SUPPORT ATLEAST 500WHP STILL BE STREETABLE AND UNDER 1200 INCLUDING WASTE GATE SO FAR I’M PRTETTY SET ON THIS [http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7979587053&category=33742](http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7979587053&category=33742) ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS call and ask mike about the one he has at the shop…its a 60 somthing… emage-724-223-4905 ---
**Author:** ![imported\_gearhead](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_gearhead/32/5957_2.png) [@imported\_gearhead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_gearhead)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/27 "2005-06-13T08:42:31Z")
check this out: [http://not2fast.wryday.com/turbo/glossary/turbo\_calc.shtml#hp?FeetASL=0&Tamb=19&Bore=85&Stroke=87.9&nCyl=4&RPM=7000&VE=80&Boost=25&Ec=80&Eic=85&PdropIC=.4&TambIC=19&wiPercentMethanol=50&wiRate=100&wiTemp=21&SFC=0.40&AFR=11.5&maxInjectorDutyCycle=75](http://not2fast.wryday.com/turbo/glossary/turbo_calc.shtml#hp?FeetASL=0&Tamb=19&Bore=85&Stroke=87.9&nCyl=4&RPM=7000&VE=80&Boost=25&Ec=80&Eic=85&PdropIC=.4&TambIC=19&wiPercentMethanol=50&wiRate=100&wiTemp=21&SFC=0.40&AFR=11.5&maxInjectorDutyCycle=75) I input all these numbers for you. This is considering you have a hella good flow intake/head and a mad efficient cooler. Look how awesome the GT32 and GT35 plot!! Even the GT37 isn’t bad. The only other one i’d look at is the T61. ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/28 "2005-06-13T08:49:30Z")
> This FP3575 variant increases compressor flow an additional 10lb/min for a max choke flow rating of 75lb/min. The turbine wheel is also enlarged to GT37 specs. These turbos are built in standard issue T4 bearing housings and feature floating journal bearings and 360 degree SCREWED down thrust bearings. This setup has proven itself very resistant to failure over the years. ---
**Author:** ![imported\_gearhead](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_gearhead/32/5957_2.png) [@imported\_gearhead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_gearhead)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/29 "2005-06-13T08:49:39Z")
this one might be a touch closer: [http://not2fast.wryday.com/turbo/glossary/turbo\_calc.shtml#hp?FeetASL=0&Tamb=19&Bore=85&Stroke=87.9&nCyl=4&RPM=7000&VE=80&Boost=25&Ec=80&Eic=85&PdropIC=.7&TambIC=19&wiPercentMethanol=50&wiRate=100&wiTemp=21&SFC=0.40&AFR=11.5&maxInjectorDutyCycle=75](http://not2fast.wryday.com/turbo/glossary/turbo_calc.shtml#hp?FeetASL=0&Tamb=19&Bore=85&Stroke=87.9&nCyl=4&RPM=7000&VE=80&Boost=25&Ec=80&Eic=85&PdropIC=.7&TambIC=19&wiPercentMethanol=50&wiRate=100&wiTemp=21&SFC=0.40&AFR=11.5&maxInjectorDutyCycle=75) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/30 "2005-06-13T10:14:46Z")
FP is not the end all of turbos at all. precision stuff is way way way way way better. they use better bearings and to be honest I have seen precision stuff make a lot more power than what they are rated for. FP is good but not the best and their new turbo line doesn’t impress me that much. if you want crazy power on a 4 cylinder use the PT71…Jasen Pennmen did over 700whp on that turbo and it isn’t even maxed yet and his car is a street car ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/31 "2005-06-13T11:08:15Z")
> [@BoostedITR41](#): > > FP is not the end all of turbos at all. precision stuff is way way way way way better. they use better bearings and to be honest you’re dumb the chra’s are garrett with garrett 360 degree bolted thrust bearings in both precision, FP, turbonetics, greddy, hks…they’re all the same ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/32 "2005-06-13T11:13:35Z")
> [@BlueMeanieTSi](#): > > you’re dumb the chra’s are garrett with garrett 360 degree bolted thrust bearings in both precision, FP, turbonetics, greddy, hks…they’re all the same that is funny because turbonetics bearings and seals go very quickly. and I am not talking the bearing. I am talking the trim levels and potential to make power are all precision and straight garret turbos. stick to you DSM crap where everyone runs FP and run exactly the same times as everyone else in your pure race car that will be totally pointless on the street ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/33 "2005-06-13T11:19:54Z")
all fp does is make a more efficient cast stainless exhaust housing the chra is garrett, the cover is a t04s, the bearings are garrett, the cold wheel is a garrett t67 and the hot wheel is a garrett gt37 so tell me again why it’s FP that sux? ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/34 "2005-06-13T11:22:07Z")
> [@BoostedITR41](#): > > that is funny because turbonetics bearings and seals go very quickly. and I am not talking the bearing. I am talking the trim levels and potential to make power are all precision and straight garret turbos. stick to you DSM crap where everyone runs FP and run exactly the same times as everyone else in your pure race car that will be totally pointless on the street the seals go quickly beacuse people are dumb and don’t realize that too much oil pressure causes oil to blow through the seals as a safety taking oil away from the bearing assembly. that’s why the GT turbos say 50psi max oil pressure and the garretts are the same way. the cheap canadian turbos used seals like that too back when SBR was selling them like jims first 60-1 with the to4s cover ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/35 "2005-06-13T11:35:05Z")
there is no use talking to you… you must be right I guess.lol just like the DSM link is better for race cars than the AEM ---
**Author:** ![kilmer420](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/d6d6ee/32.png) [@kilmer420](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kilmer420)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/36 "2005-06-13T11:51:49Z")
let me enlighten this misinformationfull thread: Turbonetics copied all the pre-GT series stuff from Garrett including CHRA’s, seals, bearings, wheels, housings everything, hence why garrett won’t give out spec’s on their turbos that aren’t off the shelf like a basic 60-1 for instance. second you need to check what kind of bearings you have a 270 which is standard on most journal bearing turbo’s is what is usually provided unless you ask for it… precision is NOT by any means better then garrett…stop misinforming people! precision uses cheaper housings and their flanges have known to warp due to excessive heat, where as a true Garrett housing will not do this!!! Precision is cheaper and most housings are used are precision one’s!!! Precision making more power then garrett well that is not turbo based. It’s because precision does this on purpose. If they sell you a .48 a/r it’s really closer to . 50-.52 and hence why they can make more power…it’s all volume based…while with garrett you get what you pay for unless you specify and they custom make you a turbo! (if you are a distributor) lastly a 50 trim: well no duh you won’t make serious power on it until it reaches about 22psi or so depending on displacement!!! If you ever look at a comp. map of that turbo you will understand that it doesn’ t get into full efficiency until those higher RPM numbers! 25.5psi on a t3t4 50 trim on a GTI made 419whp! [http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1213280](http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1213280) lastly there are companies like ITS that make nice housings, and use only 360 thrust bearings on most of their turbos! But, you have to remember the only way to get a great deal on a great product is to buy direct IMHO!!! ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/37 "2005-06-13T13:03:49Z")
270 isn’t standard for pte, fp, or full garretts sold by the vendors mentioned ---
**Author:** ![imported\_gearhead](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_gearhead/32/5957_2.png) [@imported\_gearhead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_gearhead)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/38 "2005-06-13T13:08:28Z")
I just like how people say there are “seals” in turbo’s… :kekegay: ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/39 "2005-06-13T13:10:04Z")
well if you want to get technical and not calling the brass oil rings seals there are still rubber orings around the compressor housing and the chra ---
**Author:** ![German\_with\_a\_Bowtie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/german_with_a_bowtie/32/5967_2.png) [@German\_with\_a\_Bowtie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/German_with_a_Bowtie)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870/40 "2005-06-13T13:20:04Z")
My 2 cents… [http://www.smokemup.com/auto\_math/turbo\_size3.php](http://www.smokemup.com/auto_math/turbo_size3.php) Buick guys turbo resource… [http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/turbo/turboupdate.html](http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/turbo/turboupdate.html) [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/having-trouble-pickin-turbo/174870.md?page=3)