# Hill District Causing More Drama for New Arena **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 12, 2007, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160 "2007-12-12T09:36:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bics56](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/47e85d/32.png) [@bics56](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bics56)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/1 "2007-12-12T09:36:27Z")
These people want everything handed to them. They want their entire neighborhood to be rebuilt using money from the arena/Penguins. How about this when you idiots quit acting like animals and get the crime rate down and to a point where I wouldn’t be nervous taking a walk through there with my kid after 5PM then maybe the city will look into helping you rebuild that shithole. Why put $$$ into a area where you know in 5 years it will be turned to shit anyways. They want a huge window in the building showing a view of the Hill District…and they say that would force them to fix up the Hill…well get the people that live there to act like normal citizens and then try to make a deal. > Hill District residents: No deal, no arena > In meeting with planning commission, they again demand a community benefits agreement between Penguins, city and county > Wednesday, December 12, 2007 > By Rich Lord, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette > No arena without a deal was the battle cry of some 50 Hill District residents and their supporters yesterday, as they urged the Pittsburgh City Planning Commission to hold off on giving the Penguins approval to build until there’s a written agreement with the community in place. > > Penguins officials used a commission public hearing on their arena master plan to tout what they pitched as a unique design featuring great views of the playing surface and, through multiple glass features, of Downtown. That feature, though, was thrown back at them by Hill residents. > > “There is no glass viewing of the Hill,” said the Rev. Glenn G. Grayson Sr., of Wesley Center African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church. “I want some glass on that side,” he said, so Penguins officials will look out every day and see whether their arena helped revitalize the Hill. > > The commission took two hours of testimony – roughly one hour each from the Penguins and community representatives – before recessing until Jan. 14. Then it’ll hear more testimony, and may vote on the arena master plan. > > The commission is supposed to approve or reject the plan based on the proposed $290 million arena’s function, impact on the city and on neighboring properties, infrastructure needs and effects on traffic. Hill advocates argued that the plan was not consistent with existing plans for the neighborhood, would cause traffic tie-ups and would turn their neighborhood into the arena’s parking lot. > > Mostly, though, they demanded that a community benefits agreement between the team, the neighborhood, the city and Allegheny County be signed before approval of the plan. Such an agreement has been a subject of discussion since April, when Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and county Chief Executive Dan Onorato agreed, in principal, to a contract outlining how the arena and community would interact. > > Yesterday, Carl Redwood of the One Hill Community Benefit Coalition said his alliance wants development funding, first dibs on jobs for Hill residents, a grocery store and community center, more park space and input into a neighborhood-wide plan. > > The Penguins have agreed to some of that, said Ron Porter, a senior consultant for the team. The team backs a supermarket, a community center and jobs for Hill residents. > > “Any kind of community investment that calls for direct funding of community activities with money at this point is out of the question,” he said. > > He said talks haven’t “been adversarial,” and added that the team wants a benefits agreement – and commission approval – next month. > > Hill advocates, though, accused the team of offering only “a lot of flatter, a lot of puff and fluff,” in Mr. Grayson’s words. > > Some said they feared that they could end up with no concrete promises, leading to another arena that, in their view, does nothing for the rest of the neighborhood. > > “The Penguins have been unresponsive to the Hill District’s requests,” said Marimba Milliones, board chairwoman of the Hill Community Development Corp. “We can no longer afford to let them just get by, not even one more step.” > > The arena push did take one tiny step forward with commission approval of the design of a new rectory for Epiphany Church. The old rectory is being demolished for the arena. ---
**Author:** ![4doors5gears](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/4doors5gears/32/6006_2.png) [@4doors5gears](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/4doors5gears)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/2 "2007-12-12T09:47:23Z")
nonsense. Hill residents are still pissed from when half of the Hill was torn down in the 50s for the first arena… The lower Hill looks good but the rest of looks like a run-down ghetto. maybe they should work on cleaning up the hill first. ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/3 "2007-12-12T10:08:47Z")
when they had big riots in 68 in pgh the dumb asses burnt down their own heighborhood. i say they shouldn’t bow down to the race card this time. its fucken bull shit… i’m tired of being made to feel guilty just because im white. you get what u earn. ---
**Author:** ![YoungTegger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@YoungTegger](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/YoungTegger)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/4 "2007-12-12T10:15:10Z")
Fuck the Hill!!! Pittsburgh shouldn’t have to have two zoo’s, those retards have established the hill into being one of the biggest dumps in the area. Sure, blame the white man because ya’ll shoot each other and sit on welfare all day long thinking of what you’re going to steal to fund your drugs. ---
**Author:** ![SMort38](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/smort38/32/6008_2.png) [@SMort38](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SMort38)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/5 "2007-12-12T10:17:37Z")
bullshit… the location where the new arena is being built doesnt even seem like “the hill” to me. i dont forsee a single residence being demolished for the construction so who cares what hill district residents have to say? i wish me and all my neighbors were on wellfare so we could sit around and demand rediculous shit from the city planners all day. why should they have any say what-so-ever in how the city/penguins choose to develop their land? ---
**Author:** ![Jeff95TA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeff95ta/32/5935_2.png) [@Jeff95TA](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jeff95TA)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/6 "2007-12-12T13:31:13Z")
I say build it out in the middle of a farm with a window showing the view of a cow pasture. ---
**Author:** ![Slim\_06\_F-150](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d26b3c/32.png) [@Slim\_06\_F-150](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Slim_06_F-150)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/7 "2007-12-12T13:51:19Z")
them people are disgusting, sooo lazy, they get free everything from the govt already and now want more. fuck them ---
**Author:** ![smokeyburnouts](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/smokeyburnouts/32/5987_2.png) [@smokeyburnouts](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/smokeyburnouts)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/8 "2007-12-12T13:52:39Z")
> [@If the board ever goes down](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/if-the-board-ever-goes-down/33858/29): > > when they had big riots in 68 in pgh the dumb asses burnt down their own heighborhood. i say they shouldn’t bow down to the race card this time. its fucken bull shit… i’m tired of being made to feel guilty just because im white. you get what u earn. +1 ---
**Author:** ![starboy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/starboy/32/5985_2.png) [@starboy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/starboy)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/9 "2007-12-12T14:26:07Z")
> [@Blue GTS Viper w/ White Stripes, Modded](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blue-gts-viper-w-white-stripes-modded/33889/2): > > +1 +2 ---
**Author:** ![BMXpaperweight](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bmxpaperweight/32/6043_2.png) [@BMXpaperweight](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BMXpaperweight)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/10 "2007-12-12T14:30:26Z")
Mike asked me to post is for him on Aim, he didnt get into my account, copy and pasted what he said, i’m just about tired of hearing this from both sides…black and white…if you live in a trashy neighborhood stop fucking crying about what you want when you don’t want to get off of your lazy ass and get it yourself…freebies should be done away with as of now, and all this money being dumped on the hockey team…i don’t watch hockey but are they even that good i mean seriously…this city has enough money problems as is and i’m sure this isn’t doing anything but digging the hole deeper, and all of the whites need to stop worrying about which person is blaming them for this and that…take the ones who want to succeed in each race and stomp the rest into the fucking dirt where they need to be. End post…see you guys in 6 days ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/11 "2007-12-12T14:34:04Z")
I say we burn the hill down again. Why is it that Pittsburgh tries to build nice things in the shitty parts of town? The waterfront in homestead :nuts: the arena in the hill :nuts: the new shit in east liberty :nuts: the casino by the west end bridge :nuts: They should build the nice stuff in nice neighborhoods so regular people like me will actually go to them without having to drive thru a fucking ghetto to get there. ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/12 "2007-12-12T14:35:12Z")
> [@tup JnJSpeedShop & Chuck tuning](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tup-jnjspeedshop-chuck-tuning/33860/13): > > xlogic says: from beyond the ban(lol), i’m just about tired of hearing this from both sides…black and white…if you live in a trashy neighborhood stop fucking crying about what you want when you don’t want to get off of your lazy ass and get it yourself…freebies should be done away with as of now, and all this money being dumped on the hockey team…i don’t watch hockey but are they even that good i mean seriously…this city has enough money problems as is and i’m sure this isn’t doing anything but digging the hole deeper, and all of the whites need to stop worrying about which person is blaming them for this and that…take the ones who want to succeed in each race and stomp the rest into the fucking dirt where they need to be. End post…see you guys in 6 days perma ban for posting while on a ban - isn’t that in the rules or something? ---
**Author:** ![starboy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/starboy/32/5985_2.png) [@starboy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/starboy)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/13 "2007-12-12T14:38:28Z")
> [@tup JnJSpeedShop & Chuck tuning](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tup-jnjspeedshop-chuck-tuning/33860/14): > > I say we burn the hill down again. > > Why is it that Pittsburgh tries to build nice things in the shitty parts of town? Bad part of town… + New facilities = More property tax, increased value. Means usually people who live there now can’t afford it and move out of the bad idea, intern making it a good area again. Which then leads to more suburban areas turning into shit? ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/14 "2007-12-12T14:40:29Z")
> [@Engine Oil Coolers.....](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/engine-oil-coolers/33878/8): > > Bad part of town… + New facilities = More property tax, increased value. > > Means usually people who live there now can’t afford it and move out of the bad idea, intern making it a good area again. Which then leads to more suburban areas turning into shit? But the people continue living there and just take more from the taxpayers. So the moral is to just keep moving every few years to avoid the low life’s moving in. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![starboy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/starboy/32/5985_2.png) [@starboy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/starboy)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/15 "2007-12-12T14:41:53Z")
> [@E34 Touring Progress Thread](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/e34-touring-progress-thread/29685/95): > > But the people continue living there and just take more from the taxpayers. > > So the moral is to just keep moving every few years to avoid the low life’s moving in. 😃 that my generalization ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/16 "2007-12-12T19:37:39Z")
well there isn;t usually room left in any good neighborhoods to build stuff like that… most of the land left in PGH was is former steel mill sites… i think the technology businesses they built on second ave was better than the waterfront and casino and the stadiums… they created GOOD jobs. the waterfront is full of low paying jobs as is the stadiums and as will be the casino. Why does pittsburgh continue to build entertainment to attract people… the people that left were because there were no good fuckin jobs after the mills closed… pittsburgh needs to produce something again. Pittsburgh made steel that won the war that saved the world… what are known for now except football… nothing. We need a good factory here. ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/17 "2007-12-12T19:53:17Z")
of the ones i know i’ll make bold the ones that are basically dumps, i will italicize the really good ones and and the rest are jsut a mix of both or i don’t know Allegheny Center Allegheny West **Allentown Arlington Arlington Heights** Banksville **Bedford Dwellings** Beechview **Beltzhoover** Bloomfield **Bluff (also known as Uptown)** Bon Air **Brighton Heights** Brookline California-Kirkbride **Carrick** Central Business District (also known as Downtown; The Golden Triangle) **Central Lawrenceville Central Northside (also known as Mexican War Streets)** **Central Oakland** becasue of the students and the mess they leave **Chartiers** Chateau Crafton Heights Crawford-Roberts Duquesne Heights East Allegheny East Carnegie **East Hills** **East Liberty** Elliot Esplen Fairywood Fineview Friendship **Garfield** Glen Hazel Greenfield Hays **Hazelwood** _Highland Park_ **Hill District Homewood North Homewood South Homewood West Knoxville Larimer Lawrenceville Lincoln-Lemington-Belmar** Lincoln Place **Manchester Marshall-Shadeland (also known as Brightwood) Middle Hill Morningside Mount Oliver (not to be confused with the neighboring borough of Mount Oliver)** Mount Washington **New Homestead** _North Oakland_ North Point Breeze North Shore **Northview Heights** Oakwood Overbrook Perry North (also known as Observatory Hill) **Perry South (also known as Perry Hilltop)** Point Breeze Polish Hill Regent Square Ridgemont **Saint Clair** _Shadyside_ **Sheraden South Oakland** South Shore **Southside Flats Southside Slopes** Spring Garden Spring Hill _Squirrel Hill_ **Stanton Heights** Strip District Summer Hill _Swisshelm Park_ **Terrace Village** Troy Hill **Upper Hill Upper Lawrenceville West End** West Oakland Westwood Windgap in conclusion pittsburgh is full of shitty neighborhoods because no one bothers to make the low income people do anything for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Bravada\_442](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bravada_442/32/5982_2.png) [@Bravada\_442](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bravada_442)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/18 "2007-12-12T20:09:18Z")
Good list Cutty, I agree on all those being shitty. Just add Spring Garden to it. It is a shit hole mostly as well. ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2007, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/19 "2007-12-12T20:39:34Z")
> [@Janice, I'M FALLING!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/janice-im-falling/33887/21): > > Good list Cutty, I agree on all those being shitty. Just add Spring Garden to it. It is a shit hole mostly as well. its no coincidence that a lot of those places are full of projects. Everywhere there is a project they should build a factory for those people to work in and then they can buy their own house like the rest of us…maybe when you actually pay for it you wont run it into the ground. ---
**Author:** ![bics56](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/47e85d/32.png) [@bics56](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bics56)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160/20 "2007-12-13T06:09:33Z")
> [@Access to a Hangar for car photos?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/access-to-a-hangar-for-car-photos/33896/3): > > its no coincidence that a lot of those places are full of projects. > Everywhere there is a project they should build a factory for those people to work in and then they can buy their own house like the rest of us…maybe when you actually pay for it you wont run it into the ground. That is a somewhat good theory…but there are two main problem. #1 getting someone here to open a large plant. #2 Getting the people in these neighborhood want to actually work. I have been around these people all through growing up and there is NO DESIRE AT ALL for most of them to actually go out and work (legitimately). Most are not motivated to work and get things for themselves, they would rather work the system and get everything for free. Then you think kids are brought up in this environment and they tend to end up the same way. Then if some of these people do actually go out and get a job. There is a high chance they will be lazy and do poor quality work. With today’s labor laws and whatnot it will be hard to fire these people to bring in people who actually want to work. I am just speaking from my experiences while going to school and working lower paying jobs when I was younger. It may be a little generalized but I think for the most part this is all true. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hill-district-causing-more-drama-for-new-arena/194160.md?page=2)