# Historic car ice races March 1, 2008 **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [February 12, 2008, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358 "2008-02-12T18:31:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![blownb310](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3e96dc/32.png) [@blownb310](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/blownb310)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/1 "2008-02-12T18:31:32Z")
The [**Central New York Ice Racing Association**](http://www.cnyira.com/,http://www.cnyira.com/)will hold it’s inaugural vintage car ice racing event near Watkins Glen NY on Saturday March 1st. The target lake is Waneta Lake, just northeast of the village of Watkins Glen. The first two events like this were put on by A.M.E.C. on Lake George. Take a look at last year’s event. ![http://images.icerace.com/albums/2-24-07/61_G.sized.jpg](http://images.icerace.com/albums/2-24-07/61_G.sized.jpg) ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/blownb310/Ice%20racing/19.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/blownb310/Ice%20racing/19.jpg) Full 2008 event details [**HERE**](http://www.runboard.com/bamecmessageboard.f1.t28234). Anyone here have a decent looking '75 or older classic car they’d like to bring out and have some fun with? ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/2 "2008-02-12T18:36:20Z")
Tempting if I had a car ready. Of course the only way I’d consider it with a classic would be enclosed trailer to and from the event (to avoid the Salt) and then a very thorough cleaning on a lift afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![MXS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mxs/32/7507_2.png) [@MXS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MXS)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/3 "2008-02-12T19:45:34Z")
I’ve been keeping an eye on this because they are going to be running regular (non-vintage) races that weekend too. If there isn’t enough ice on the lake, the backup plan is to run on the ground at Black Rock Speedway (in Dundee, which is like halfway between Watkins Glen and Penn Yan) ---
**Author:** ![blownb310](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3e96dc/32.png) [@blownb310](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/blownb310)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/4 "2008-02-12T19:57:32Z")
Correct, but the vintage cars will run separately in their own heats. Here is the proposed course if the event has to be run on the frozen snow covered ground at Black Rock Speedway. ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/blownb310/blackrock1_0001.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/blownb310/blackrock1_0001.jpg) Should be a **great** event either way! ---
**Author:** ![camarojoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c67d28/32.png) [@camarojoe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/camarojoe)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/5 "2008-02-12T20:06:04Z")
That looks cool! ---
**Author:** ![Garick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8797f3/32.png) [@Garick](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Garick)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/6 "2008-02-12T20:36:56Z")
hmm, tempting…I’ve been wanting to run on snow/ice all winter. ---
**Author:** ![squid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/squid/32/4984_2.png) [@squid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/squid)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 5:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/7 "2008-02-13T05:41:33Z")
Have to follow this thread… Be nice to get out and chew up some ice. Is there an updated link for the info? The link above doesn’t work. ![http://wetzelsracing.com/images/28sm.jpg](http://wetzelsracing.com/images/28sm.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Silver](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/silver/32/4953_2.png) [@Silver](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Silver)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/8 "2008-02-13T06:31:24Z")
OP didn’t link it right: [http://www.cnyira.com/](http://www.cnyira.com/) If there is a non-vintage class, I’ll be there. Been trying to do an ice race for the last two winters, but the weather keeps failing to cooperate 😕 ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/9 "2008-02-13T06:43:28Z")
Frozen ground is the way to go IMO. If they flood it evenly it should be pretty consistent and smooth with less depth required. Maybe I should stop being lazy and cheap and replace my struts… ---
**Author:** ![MXS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mxs/32/7507_2.png) [@MXS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MXS)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/10 "2008-02-13T06:54:15Z")
Here’s the info > **[\[sign in to see URL\]. Message Board :: \[sign in to see URL\]. Main Forum ::...](https://www.runboard.com/bamecmessageboard.f1.t28234)** > > Open conversations about Ice Racing involving cars racing on road courses set up on frozen lakes. It’s been so damn cold, it would be nice if Waneta were actually frozen! > [@Silver](#): > > If there is a non-vintage class, I’ll be there. there is 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![blownb310](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3e96dc/32.png) [@blownb310](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/blownb310)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/11 "2008-02-13T13:00:24Z")
> [@squid](#): > > Is there an updated link for the info? The link above doesn’t work. Sorry about that, I fixed the link in post #1. Mike ---
**Author:** ![Silver](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/silver/32/4953_2.png) [@Silver](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Silver)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/12 "2008-02-13T14:44:36Z")
I’m going to lose. 2 snow tires and 2 all seasons, lol. But I’ll be the sexiest little e30 out there, damnit! ---
**Author:** ![blownb310](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3e96dc/32.png) [@blownb310](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/blownb310)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/13 "2008-02-13T15:00:02Z")
> [@Silver](#): > > I’m going to lose. 2 snow tires and 2 all seasons, lol. > > But I’ll be the sexiest little e30 out there, damnit! With all due respect, E30’s are hard enough to control with proper winter tires let alone all seasons… ---
**Author:** ![blownb310](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3e96dc/32.png) [@blownb310](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/blownb310)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/14 "2008-02-13T16:28:18Z")
I am also happy to report that CNYIRA even has a backup plan if mother nature doesn’t cooperate with enough ice on Waneta Lake. They have arranged this road course to be run at Black Rock Speedway in nearby Dundee, NY. This will be on a snow covered frozen ground. Nice! ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/blownb310/blackrock1_0001.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/blownb310/blackrock1_0001.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Silver](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/silver/32/4953_2.png) [@Silver](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Silver)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/15 "2008-02-13T17:45:27Z")
> [@blownb310](#): > > With all due respect, E30’s are hard enough to control with proper winter tires let alone all seasons… Appreciate the heads up, but I’m well aware 😉 ---
**Author:** ![MXS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mxs/32/7507_2.png) [@MXS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MXS)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/16 "2008-02-27T12:56:45Z")
An update from the mailing list . . . no ice, but there will be a “euro rallycross” in Dundee (halfway between Penn Yan and Watkins Glen) > CNYIRA will be holding a Euro style Rallycross this Saturday March 1’st at > Black Rock Speedway in Dundee, NY. For caged (menard) cars and also street > legal cars. The street legal cars will run with each other with a very > strict no touch rule being enforced. The caged cars will run with a slightly > looser no touch rule. Meaning a very minor touch can be okay, but something > that causes any damage will lead to expulsion. (OUCH!) > If you plan on participating I suggest you go to > [http://groups.google.com/group/NYIceRacers/files?hl=en](http://groups.google.com/group/NYIceRacers/files?hl=en) > Then click on the membership form and also the driver event form. Please > print these out, fill them out and bring them with you. > If there are enough drivers we will also have open classes in both caged and > street legal cars. > If you already sent forms in for the vintage race and will be running in the > Rallycross, I will have those forms with me, so you will be covered. If you > sent in for the Vintage and won’t be running with us, then we will just use > that money to pay for the rest of us. No, don’t worry, I will be sending > that stuff back to you after Saturday. > Unstudded street legal tires only please. > Here is the race schedule for Saturday March 1’st. > 8:00 to 9:30 Registration > 9:00 to 10:00 Tech Inspection > 10:00 Driver’s meeting and Grid announcments > 10:15 Mandatory Course Walk > 10:20 The racing begins > We will be playing some of this by ear, but I think the way it might work > will be something like this. > We may try 4 or 6 cars at a time in sort of a bracket arrangement. Something > like the first 2 cars in group one will race against the first 2 cars from > group 2 and then the last 2 cars race against the last two of the other > group or something like that. > Don’t worry, whatever we do it will be fun and fair with emphasis on maximum > seat time. > You should also be aware that there is one small part of the course where > there will be a no passing rule for that area. The historic significance of > that is that sixty years ago when cars ran on the 6.6 mile street circuit at > Watkins Glen there was also an area where no passing was allowed. > Anyway, bring a friend because there will also be an open class for caged > cars and also street legal cars. > Directions to Black Rock: > [OUTLAW SPEEDWAY, LLC. - DUNDEE, NY :: DIRT TRACK STOCK CAR RACING](http://blackrockspeedway.com/track/directions.php) > \<– has nothing to drive but will be there to watch. Should be exciting 😃 ---
**Author:** ![blownb310](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3e96dc/32.png) [@blownb310](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/blownb310)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/17 "2008-02-27T15:56:19Z")
If A.M.E.C.'s ice races on Cossayuna Lake get cancelled because of today’s snowfall, I will be there competing in the Euro-Rallycross with my '93 Nissan Sentra SE-R. ---
**Author:** ![squid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/squid/32/4984_2.png) [@squid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/squid)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/18 "2008-02-27T16:21:46Z")
Hmmm…dilemma. I run a caged car but I definitely would want to run in a no touch class. And I run rally tyres…not street legal. ---
**Author:** ![MXS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mxs/32/7507_2.png) [@MXS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MXS)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2008, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/19 "2008-02-28T07:45:14Z")
Are the rally tires unstudded? Maybe that would be OK :shrug: Is the car itself street legal? I found some photos from past similar events, looks awesome! [http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f113/NYracefan/AMEC%20Rallycross/?start=all](http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f113/NYracefan/AMEC%20Rallycross/?start=all) [http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f113/NYracefan/AMEC%20Rallycross%202/?start=all](http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f113/NYracefan/AMEC%20Rallycross%202/?start=all) ---
**Author:** ![Cavi\_Mike](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cavi_mike/32/5217_2.png) [@Cavi\_Mike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cavi_Mike)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2008, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358/20 "2008-02-28T07:50:25Z")
It was 5 degrees last night, there’s gotta be some serious ice out there now. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/historic-car-ice-races-march-1-2008/43358.md?page=2)