# Hmm... Import or Domestic (no flames please) **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [December 21, 2006, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983 "2006-12-21T20:50:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2006, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/1 "2006-12-21T20:50:29Z")
With the news that Ford may be permanently conceding the #2 spot to Toyota within the year, MSNBC posted a survey about what vehicle manufacturer you would rather purchase from… [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16312546/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16312546/) And as of tonight, the poll is running 35% domestic, 65% import. Maybe I’m off, but it’s odd to me that some of the comments I’ve seen on that site after the poll even go so far as a “serves them right - they should go out of business” attitude. I’m not trying to start a flame war - but I wonder if anyone has concerns about how America in general is going when we start losing our major industries (textiles and consumer electronics are other examples; aviation is on the fence) and our population doesn’t seem to care. We’re turning into a service-based economy in the US (I’ve heard that the largest employer in Dearborn is now Henry Ford _ **Hospital** _), and I feel that this will only serve to worsen the trade balance we have with other countries. ---
**Author:** ![layzie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/layzie/32/7599_2.png) [@layzie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/layzie)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2006, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/2 "2006-12-21T20:52:29Z")
if i cant stand the wheels up at the line, rocking out to def leporad while my mullet blows in the air i wont be caught dead in it DOMESTICS 4 L ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2006, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/3 "2006-12-21T20:54:41Z")
You can bet that over 90% of those voters have probably never heard of performance/aftermarket mods. Think about the demographic that they are catering to. Think about 95% of new vechicles sold in N. America. why is this in gen auto? ---
**Author:** ![layzie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/layzie/32/7599_2.png) [@layzie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/layzie)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2006, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/4 "2006-12-21T20:55:45Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > why is this in gen auto? well i dont know what you read but it looked like general automotive to me ---
**Author:** ![87FOXGT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/8/ecd19e/32.png) [@87FOXGT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/87FOXGT)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2006, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/5 "2006-12-21T20:56:55Z")
> [@layzie](#): > > if i cant stand the wheels up at the line, rocking out to Disturbed while my mullet blows in the air i wont be caught dead in it > > DOMESTICS 4 L fixed ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2006, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/6 "2006-12-21T20:57:36Z")
> [@layzie](#): > > well i dont know what you read but it looked like general automotive to me Right. I highlight for You. > [@traumadog](#): > > With the news that Ford may be permanently conceding the #2 spot to Toyota within the year, MSNBC posted a survey about what vehicle manufacturer you would rather purchase from… > > [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16312546/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16312546/) > > And as of tonight, the poll is running 35% domestic, 65% import. > > Maybe I’m off, but it’s odd to me that some of the comments I’ve seen on that site after the poll even go so far as a “serves them right - they should go out of business” attitude. > > **I’m not trying to start a flame war - but I wonder if anyone has concerns about how America in general is going when we start losing our major industries (textiles and consumer electronics are other examples; aviation is on the fence) and our population doesn’t seem to care.** > > **We’re turning into a service-based economy in the US (I’ve heard that the largest employer in Dearborn is now Henry Ford _Hospital_), and I feel that this will only serve to worsen the trade balance we have with other countries.** Looks to me like the intent of the post is to start a discussion about the state of the American workforce, economy, and it’s future in an international market. :gotme: ---
**Author:** ![layzie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/layzie/32/7599_2.png) [@layzie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/layzie)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2006, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/7 "2006-12-21T20:58:29Z")
def leporad = 80s camaro distrubed = early 90s camaro ---
**Author:** ![layzie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/layzie/32/7599_2.png) [@layzie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/layzie)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2006, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/8 "2006-12-21T20:59:29Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > Right. I highlight for You. > Looks to me like the intent of the post is to start a discussion about the state of the American workforce, economy, and it’s future in an international market. > > :gotme: well it still looks to me to be general automotive here i will highlight some general automotive > [@traumadog](#): > > **With the news that Ford may be permanently conceding the #2 spot to Toyota within the year, MSNBC posted a survey about what vehicle manufacturer you would rather purchase from…** > > [**http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16312546/**](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16312546/) > > **And as of tonight, the poll is running 35% domestic, 65% import.** > > **Maybe I’m off, but it’s odd to me that some of the comments I’ve seen on that site after the poll even go so far as a “serves them right - they should go out of business” attitude.** > > I’m not trying to start a flame war - but I wonder if anyone has concerns about how America in general is going when we start losing our major industries (textiles and consumer electronics are other examples; aviation is on the fence) and our population doesn’t seem to care. > > We’re turning into a service-based economy in the US (I’ve heard that the largest employer in Dearborn is now Henry Ford _ **Hospital** _), and I feel that this will only serve to worsen the trade balance we have with other countries. ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2006, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/9 "2006-12-21T21:18:29Z")
Hey - I’ll leave it to the mods if this thread needs to be moved to OT. And yes, I was referring to other industries, but my comments were meant to be directed at the car side of things; car purchases tend to be more emotional than say, refrigerator purchases. Hopefully, the thread won’t get to the point of being locked. ---
**Author:** ![articzap](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/articzap/32/7361_2.png) [@articzap](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/articzap)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2006, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/10 "2006-12-21T21:23:36Z")
toyota is more american made then ne american company so, import 4 l ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2006, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/11 "2006-12-21T21:26:09Z")
> [@traumadog](#): > > And yes, I was referring to other industries, There are alot of industries where the US leads in technology & research. The bleeding edge as it were. > but my comments were meant to be directed at the car side of things; car purchases tend to be more emotional than say, refrigerator purchases. > Yes, cars can be emotional purchases, however they are not the driving force of our economy. They hardly ever were. As far a shift toward service based economy… we are way behind that train of thought. If china can source the raw materials (oil is a biggun), then they will surpass us very quickly. As it is, they are outgrowing their resources, and it’s holding them back. India is on the rise as well, but is more ‘service based’. Their educational institutions are quickly catching up to the US as well. But it’s late and I’m tired, so this is probably full of holes. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2006, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/12 "2006-12-21T21:26:41Z")
> [@articzap](#): > > toyota is more american made then ne american company so, import 4 l lol… tis true. However, the bulk of the profits are not spent here. ---
**Author:** ![TurdBlown\_Teg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/59ef9b/32.png) [@TurdBlown\_Teg](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurdBlown_Teg)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2006, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/13 "2006-12-21T21:29:17Z")
> [@layzie](#): > > if i cant stand the wheels up at the line, rocking out to def leporad while my mullet blows in the air i wont be caught dead in it > > DOMESTICS 4 L HELL YES ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2006, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/14 "2006-12-21T21:49:11Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > [QUOTE=articzap]toyota is more american made then ne american company so, import 4 l lol… tis true…[/QUOTE] Umm… how is this true? Scion and Lexus models all are imported. The Camry is built in the US, but many parts are not. All the hybrid parts are imported too. Much of the engineering R&D is done in Japan, although there are some “design studios” in California. And Toyota employs about 30K in North America, which is less than what GM and Ford let go this year alone. Yes, Toyota has 10 factories in North America (with some in Mexico and Canada), while GM has 56. (And three in Mexico and five in Canada) ---
**Author:** ![articzap](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/articzap/32/7361_2.png) [@articzap](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/articzap)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2006, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/15 "2006-12-21T21:56:53Z")
theres more american made parts on a toyota then american compamnies. there was an article on it aawhile bak ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2006, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/16 "2006-12-21T22:11:53Z")
> [@articzap](#): > > theres more american made parts on a toyota then american compamnies. there was an article on it aawhile bak Ah - so Toyota’s 30k North American employees must be way more efficient than GM’s 170,000… which tells you what the UAW is good for, I guess. Oh, and to add to the commentary, there’s this article: [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/20/AR2006122001763.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/20/AR2006122001763.html) In it, an Iranian-born salesman bitches that Americans won’t look at Chrysler… oh, the irony. ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2006, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/17 "2006-12-22T02:44:47Z")
> [@traumadog](#): > > Umm… how is this true? > > Scion and Lexus models all are imported. The Camry is built in the US, but many parts are not. All the hybrid parts are imported too. Much of the engineering R&D is done in Japan, although there are some “design studios” in California. > > And Toyota employs about 30K in North America, which is less than what GM and Ford let go this year alone. Yes, Toyota has 10 factories in North America (with some in Mexico and Canada), while GM has 56. (And three in Mexico and five in Canada) for the cars that toyota builds within north america, fewer parts are outsourced than with GM and Ford cars. for example, the Toyota sienna, %89 of it is built right here. Ford mustang %65. (if i’m remembering the numbers correctly. i know it’s close to that tho) obviously as a whole, GM provides quite a bit more for americans than any “import” company. but over time, it seems that will change. ---
**Author:** ![93dx\_hatch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/90ced4/32.png) [@93dx\_hatch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/93dx_hatch)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2006, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/18 "2006-12-22T06:04:58Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > lol… tis true. However, the bulk of the profits are not spent here. so much confusion ford toyota and GM are publicly owned companies ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2006, 6:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/19 "2006-12-22T06:27:57Z")
In my mind there are no “imports” and “domestics” anymore. The lines are way too blurred. ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2006, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983/20 "2006-12-22T06:43:20Z")
> [@BikerFry](#): > > In my mind there are no “imports” and “domestics” anymore. The lines are way too blurred. Hmm… didn’t GM just close a plant in Tonawanda? I doubt any import company will re-open it… [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hmm-import-or-domestic-no-flames-please/21983.md?page=2)