# Honda Guys : Lets Talk **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [December 27, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621 "2009-12-27T17:32:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![slowa\_ek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slowa_ek/32/5227_2.png) [@slowa\_ek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slowa_ek)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/1 "2009-12-27T17:32:42Z")
So im trying to decided which way to take for my hatch. we are talking about just motor/tranny options here. The motor WILL be seeing boost, and im looking for 300whp. It is a 97, so i must deal with obd2 for inspection purposes. I fully understand the covert to obd1 for tuning reason but it needs to be taken into account that the car needs to be able to pass an obd2 inspection including the plug into the diagnostics port. So the options are D16y7/y8 - built motor, cam, headwork (possibly) B16 B18a/b B18c1 b20 b20vtec Ls/vtec I really do not want to build the motor, but in the case of the D16 its a must. I will not be building any B series. Discuss ---
**Author:** ![LXIFLYBY](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lxiflyby/32/7399_2.png) [@LXIFLYBY](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LXIFLYBY)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/2 "2009-12-27T17:38:15Z")
b18a/b, put a vtec oil pump on it and vtec head and go LS/Vtec turbo ---
**Author:** ![slowa\_ek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slowa_ek/32/5227_2.png) [@slowa\_ek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slowa_ek)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/3 "2009-12-27T18:12:22Z")
ls/vtec is very similar to the b20 vtec. i heard the b20 does not have much boost capability due to its thin cylinder walls. Is this true? and ill add it to the list. ---
**Author:** ![gravesdu\_99](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gravesdu_99/32/5047_2.png) [@gravesdu\_99](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/gravesdu_99)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/4 "2009-12-27T18:17:47Z")
I’m on with everybody else. b18a/b1. When you get more money go ls/vtec. Spend the money and do hondata. Worth the money and you will be obd2. ---
**Author:** ![Karter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@Karter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Karter)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/5 "2009-12-27T18:18:54Z")
lsvtec sucks. it likes to blow up because the bottom end dosent like high rpm. Stay with a b16 and boost it, a friend of mine has a crx with a completely stock b16a besides injectors and head gasket, made 306 whp on 9lbs. He drove it daily and drove it from Ga to idaho when he moved. Its sense become a fairweather car, as hes got over 30g into it. ---
**Author:** ![slowa\_ek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slowa_ek/32/5227_2.png) [@slowa\_ek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slowa_ek)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/6 "2009-12-27T18:21:55Z")
stay with the b16, yeah i don’t have one of those i have a D16 brah. Ls/vtec only blow if it is built schwag as hell, but i have heard a rumor of them popping head gaskets like mad. Hondata is obd2? i thought it is a modded obd1 ecu, educate me And karter what are the spec on the turbo pushing the 9lbs, i would rather go with a smaller turbo and push more boost, faster spool and what not ---
**Author:** ![Karter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@Karter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Karter)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/7 "2009-12-27T18:28:50Z")
I can find out his setup. I knew you didnt have a b16 haha, i meant stay with a b16 as apposed to going with an lsvtec. ---
**Author:** ![Karter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@Karter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Karter)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/8 "2009-12-27T18:29:52Z")
Garrett GT2860RS ---
**Author:** ![mindless](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mindless/32/7286_2.png) [@mindless](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mindless)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/9 "2009-12-27T18:41:31Z")
Dont do any ls vtec junk pick any motor a t3/t4 57 trim and add boost. ---
**Author:** ![slowa\_ek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slowa_ek/32/5227_2.png) [@slowa\_ek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slowa_ek)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/10 "2009-12-27T18:59:01Z")
> [@Just Karter](#): > > Garrett GT2860RS my d16 was boosted on a similar turbo 6 months ago… ---
**Author:** ![slowa\_ek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slowa_ek/32/5227_2.png) [@slowa\_ek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slowa_ek)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/11 "2009-12-27T18:59:52Z")
> [@mindless](#): > > Dont do any ls vtec junk pick any motor a t3/t4 57 trim and add boost. i am mad sketchy on the lsb20vtec setups. any b series with that turbo? how much can it handle on stock internals ---
**Author:** ![budsdubbin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d2c977/32.png) [@budsdubbin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/budsdubbin)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/12 "2009-12-27T19:03:33Z")
> [@mindless](#): > > Dont do any ls vtec junk pick any motor a t3/t4 57 trim and add boost. +1 you poor lost little man ---
**Author:** ![slowa\_ek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slowa_ek/32/5227_2.png) [@slowa\_ek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slowa_ek)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/13 "2009-12-27T19:06:51Z")
> [@budsdubbin](#): > > +1 you poor lost little man what you talking bout willis? your engine recommendations sir? Me and T decided what needs to happen. Wouldn’t a 57 trim pull “your” 50 trim? ---
**Author:** ![budsdubbin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d2c977/32.png) [@budsdubbin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/budsdubbin)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/14 "2009-12-27T19:11:19Z")
not on 9lbs. If you ever actually get anything that you claim your going to buy or build. Why don’t you just be a man and actually assemble yourself a setup that your not half-assing. ---
**Author:** ![LXIFLYBY](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lxiflyby/32/7399_2.png) [@LXIFLYBY](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LXIFLYBY)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/15 "2009-12-27T19:12:51Z")
cr-vtecs dont seem to last very long and the b20 blocks are a bit more fragile, id avoid that setup if your not gonna build it. If you dont wanna go b series at all built d series will work just fine, 300whp isnt that hard to get ---
**Author:** ![slowa\_ek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slowa_ek/32/5227_2.png) [@slowa\_ek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slowa_ek)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/16 "2009-12-27T19:15:42Z")
> [@budsdubbin](#): > > not on 9lbs. If you ever actually get anything that you claim your going to buy or build. Why don’t you just be a man and actually assemble yourself a setup that your not half-assing. i could say the same for you, wheres that 50 trim? at least i actually big turboed something. call me if you want to argue, actually come over to my house. Don’t kid yourself I’m just trying to figure out what i wanna do ---
**Author:** ![budsdubbin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d2c977/32.png) [@budsdubbin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/budsdubbin)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/17 "2009-12-27T19:17:45Z")
[QUOTE=slowa$$ek;1547548]your engine recommendations sir?QUOTE] Get a b16 with a T3/T4 50trim 48a/r. Low boost and you’ll be happy \*(even though you should already have a b16 in there, which you should have installed yourself) Or go with your previous idea which you said was going to happen.:gotme: ---
**Author:** ![turbociv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@turbociv](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/turbociv)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/18 "2009-12-27T19:19:14Z")
lsvtec FTW. just dont rev it past 9g to often and you will be fine. fuck the haterz. oh and in before someone tells you to go kseries cause its better and only 10x as much $$.lol ---
**Author:** ![slowa\_ek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slowa_ek/32/5227_2.png) [@slowa\_ek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slowa_ek)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/19 "2009-12-27T19:36:13Z")
> [@turbociv](#): > > lsvtec FTW. just dont rev it past 9g to often and you will be fine. fuck the haterz. oh and in before someone tells you to go kseries cause its better and only 10x as much $$.lol word up, why in the f would i be stupid and take a car above 9k, that is just unnecessary on even a built engine ---
**Author:** ![slowa\_ek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slowa_ek/32/5227_2.png) [@slowa\_ek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slowa_ek)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621/20 "2009-12-27T19:37:22Z")
> [@budsdubbin](#): > > [QUOTE=slowa$$ek;1547548]your engine recommendations sir?QUOTE] > > Get a b16 with a T3/T4 50trim 48a/r. Low boost and you’ll be happy \*(even though you should already have a b16 in there, which you should have installed yourself) > > Or go with your previous idea which you said was going to happen.:gotme: she does not want to sell man, she is beating around the bush. but at the same time i do not want a car payment when i have an awesome platform to work with. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-guys-lets-talk/77621.md?page=2)