# Hondas...
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233
**Category:** Shift518 Off Topic
**Created:** [December 12, 2007, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233 "2007-12-12T12:09:11Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 17
### Author:  [@McBitchin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/McBitchin)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2008, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/321 "2008-03-30T19:13:47Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#):
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> RSX = Econbox.
maybe so but not for the reasons you stated and that was what i was arguing for the most part
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### Author:  [@SDP](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SDP)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2008, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/322 "2008-03-30T19:13:59Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#):
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> My car bone stock would lay to waste so many K20 cars that I’d have Morgan/Synapse retiring at the end of the year.
LOL.
I guess its easy to come to this conclusion because 90% of honda owners are complete idiots and can’t put the car together correctly to save their lives.
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2008, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/323 "2008-03-30T19:17:39Z")
> [@1.8tV-Dub](#):
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> maybe so but not for the reasons you stated and that was what i was arguing for the most part
Define econbox then.
> [@SDP](#):
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> LOL.
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> I guess its easy to come to this conclusion because 90% of honda owners are complete idiots and can’t put the car together correctly to save their lives.
I am glad you found that funny because it was. 🙂
Actually, that post was in reference to the 3/S stock vs the K20 stock even though it doesn’t have the superior HP/L ratio that the K20 lova referenced. But, unfortunately, you are right. There ARE some nice Hondas out there but retards like that guy and others kill it ☹
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### Author:  [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2008, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/324 "2008-03-30T19:22:00Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#):
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> My car bone stock would lay to waste so many K20 cars…
a bold statement
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2008, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/325 "2008-03-30T19:23:43Z")
> [@LKSi](#):
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> a bold statement
Show me some stock K20 cars running 13.6 and/or 102MPH. I have pics of timeslips and videos of my car if you want.
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### Author:  [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2008, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/326 "2008-03-30T19:25:32Z")
I was debating on saying something about that, because honestly…i think i would waste bone stock VR-4’s all day, and maybe even some with light bolt ons
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#):
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> Show me some stock K20 cars running 13.6 and/or 102MPH. I have pics of timeslips and videos if you want.
now your changing it a little, you said “K20 cars” not STOCK K20 cars [RSX-S, Civic Si]
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/327 "2008-03-30T19:28:54Z")
> [@K20power](#):
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> I was debating on saying something about that, because honestly…i think i would waste bone stock VR-4’s all day, and maybe even some with light bolt ons
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> now your changing it a little, you said “K20 cars” not STOCK K20 cars [RSX-S, Civic Si]
I can’t help it if people don’t read the post trail. The context was in regards to HP/L in stock form so I responded with that comment but he didn’t grasp that peak HP and/or HP/L isn’t the end-all comparison. I even threw in comparisons to Supras, DSMs, etc… to back myself.
You may beat car X at LVD but play around with an AWD car stop light to stop light.
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### Author:  [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2008, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/328 "2008-03-30T19:30:25Z")
EDIT: not a bold statement if you are referring to a stock VR4 vs. stock Si or RSX-S :lol
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### Author:  [@McBitchin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/McBitchin)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2008, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/329 "2008-03-30T19:32:11Z")
im assuming we are all comparing cars in stock form with the engine they came with from the factory
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2008, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/330 "2008-03-30T19:32:39Z")
> [@LKSi](#):
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> EDIT: not a bold statement if you are referring to a stock VR4 vs. stock Si or RSX-S :lol
Gracias for the edit.
Yea, that’s exactly what I meant. If you refer back to conversation, it is clear.
I wasn’t trying to put any car down but pointing out (in many ways) that saying anything is ‘better’ based on peak crank HP and HP/L is ridiculous and ignorant.
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### Author:  [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2008, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/331 "2008-03-30T19:35:05Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#):
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> Gracias for the edit.
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> Yea, that’s exactly what I meant. If you refer back to conversation, it is clear.
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> I wasn’t trying to put any car down but pointing out that saying anything is ‘better’ based on peak crank HP and HP/L is ridiculous and ignorant.
So true, I could engineer and build a .0002 L engine that makes 1hp (5000hp/L) and hook it to a skateboard, but I bet a stock dodge shadow would still brutalize me in any form of race
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### Author:  [@SDP](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SDP)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2008, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/332 "2008-03-30T19:52:18Z")
Well, to be fair I work on a ton of hondas and have them as my own cars. But when it comes down to it, most of them I consider to be shit… riced out etc. Look at a typical wednesday night at lvd. Might be 3 good running hondas out of 40 cars. Its just the way it is, the price and availability has made things this way.
For honda, its not about being the highest output or fastest car. They just were not designed to be that way. Everyone knows this. For the most part they are fun, nimble, have good gearing in a well put together package that is extremely reliable, gets good gas mileage and holds its value well. Almost all the honda and acuras in the 80’s and 90’s came with factory double wishbone suspension and can be turned into an autocross or roadrace monster with just a set of springs, shocks and tires.
I’ve seen some very impressive things from K20’s, they make great all motor and forced induction engines. A basic turbo setup using decent quality parts and a little bit of brains can make a very stout setup thats hard to beat on the street and strip.
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2008, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/333 "2008-03-30T20:31:22Z")
> [@SDP](#):
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> Well, to be fair I work on a ton of hondas and have them as my own cars. But when it comes down to it, most of them I consider to be shit… riced out etc. Look at a typical wednesday night at lvd. Might be 3 good running hondas out of 40 cars. Its just the way it is, the price and availability has made things this way.
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> For honda, its not about being the highest output or fastest car. They just were not designed to be that way. Everyone knows this. For the most part they are fun, nimble, have good gearing in a well put together package that is extremely reliable, gets good gas mileage and holds its value well. Almost all the honda and acuras in the 80’s and 90’s came with factory double wishbone suspension and can be turned into an autocross or roadrace monster with just a set of springs, shocks and tires.
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> I’ve seen some very impressive things from K20’s, they make great all motor and forced induction engines. A basic turbo setup using decent quality parts and a little bit of brains can make a very stout setup thats hard to beat on the street and strip.
Very well said.
I never meant to be rude to K20s in this thread but just disapproved of the source of the information and the ignorant justifications.
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### Author:  [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2008, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/334 "2008-03-30T20:35:37Z")
Some of misinformation thrown around here was just ridiculous :nono
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### Author:  [@Auto0utcast](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Auto0utcast)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2008, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/335 "2008-03-30T20:38:21Z")
ahhh to be young, dumb and full of cum all over again… emphasis on _ **dumb** _. some days i wish newbs to the scene would just shut up, listen, and learn from those who have **“been there,done that”** so to speak.
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### Author:  [@Swifty](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Swifty)
#### Post date: [March 31, 2008, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/336 "2008-03-31T00:32:10Z")
holy fuck, i swapped a H22 into my civic and i havea bodykit. someone make fun of me so we can stop talking about k20’s.
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [March 31, 2008, 5:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/337 "2008-03-31T05:14:14Z")
> [@Swifty](#):
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> holy fuck, i swapped a H22 into my civic and i havea bodykit. someone make fun of me so we can stop talking about k20’s.
Wait your turn. I want to deal with this guy first. 🙂
So, K20 \> 6G72 because…
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### Author:  [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)
#### Post date: [March 31, 2008, 5:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/338 "2008-03-31T05:54:43Z")
> [@TougeThisDB1?!?](#):
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> 320chp = 106.666 hp/liter
> 220chp = 110 hp/liter
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> its simple.
276chp = 138 hp/liter
eat it, slut
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [March 31, 2008, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/339 "2008-03-31T06:05:48Z")
2008 Dodge Viper
8.4L 600HP
75 HP/L
2009 Chevy Corvette ZR1
6.2L 620HP
100 HP/L
DAD: “Son. Money is no object. You want this torque beast Viper or do you want a blown Vette that will put you in the trunk at WOT”.
SON: “Daddy. Fuck that. I want a K20 because the HP/L ratio is higher”.
DAD: “That’s my boy.”
Looks like the K20 prevails again!%(%&#
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### Author:  [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)
#### Post date: [March 31, 2008, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/340 "2008-03-31T06:07:13Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#):
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> 2008 Dodge Viper
> 8.4L 600HP
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> 75 HP/L
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> 2009 Chevy Corvette ZR1
> 6.2L 620HP
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> 100 HP/L
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> Looks like the K20 prevails again!%(%&#
:crackup
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