# Hondas...
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233
**Category:** Shift518 Off Topic
**Created:** [December 12, 2007, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233 "2007-12-12T12:09:11Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@McBitchin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/McBitchin)
#### Post date: [April 16, 2008, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/441 "2008-04-16T21:34:40Z")
yeah I really didnt think that one through, I hit post then a second later I was like, wait shit he said s2000, oh well, they are fun cars my uncle had one but he had to sell it so he could fight a custody battle, he let me drive it once and it was great handled real nice, plus I got to hit V-tec!
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### Author:  [@Cliff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cliff)
#### Post date: [April 16, 2008, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/442 "2008-04-16T21:47:41Z")
> [@PokerRun518](#):
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> the only car that had a single cam f-series in it was the accored in the states.
No. Honda-Tech **Search** Upper right hand corner.
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### Author:  [@bobbyt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bobbyt)
#### Post date: [April 16, 2008, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/443 "2008-04-16T23:08:24Z")
Funny shawn that you bash the s2000 when you own a heavy ass vr4 that cant turn!..if your gonna bash a s2k at least own a better car!!!Yeah vr4 can be fast but they are fat pigs and are now where near a s2k when both cars are tuned to there best potential.Turbo s2kcan run 10"S in the quarter mile…can out handle almost all cars…and are reliable. vr4 can run 10"s.crash into a tree on the first turn.and be at Mitsubishi service because its a Mitsubishi. :lol :crackup
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### Author:  [@Swifty](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Swifty)
#### Post date: [April 16, 2008, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/444 "2008-04-16T23:10:02Z")
did you take typing lessons from hank?
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### Author:  [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 4:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/445 "2008-04-17T04:33:44Z")
> [@bobbyt](#):
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> Funny shawn that you bash the s2000 when you own a heavy ass vr4 that cant turn!..if your gonna bash a s2k at least own a better car!!!Yeah vr4 can be fast but they are fat pigs and are now where near a s2k when both cars are tuned to there best potential.Turbo s2kcan run 10"S in the quarter mile…can out handle almost all cars…and are reliable. vr4 can run 10"s.crash into a tree on the first turn.and be at Mitsubishi service because its a Mitsubishi. :lol :crackup
I’m sure the vr4 handled pretty awesome when it was made… over 10 years AGO!!
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### Author:  [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/446 "2008-04-17T06:09:47Z")
> [@bobbyt](#):
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> Funny shawn that you bash the s2000 when you own a heavy ass vr4 that cant turn!..if your gonna bash a s2k at least own a better car!!!Yeah vr4 can be fast but they are fat pigs and are now where near a s2k when both cars are tuned to there best potential.Turbo s2kcan run 10"S in the quarter mile…can out handle almost all cars…and are reliable. vr4 can run 10"s.crash into a tree on the first turn.and be at Mitsubishi service because its a Mitsubishi. :lol :crackup
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you really don’t know anything about cars
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/447 "2008-04-17T06:12:06Z")
> [@bobbyt](#):
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> Funny shawn that you bash the s2000
Where did I bash it? I am just a brutally honest person without regard to feelings. The car is a fantastic car with the best tranny I ever felt. But, it makes no torque and feels like a dump truck off VTEC. I know plenty of real Honda owners that agree.
> [@bobbyt](#):
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> when you own a heavy ass vr4 that cant turn!
Why did Mitsubishi provide me with a steering wheel then?
> [@bobbyt](#):
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> .if your gonna bash a s2k at least own a better car!!!
Define better?
> [@bobbyt](#):
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> Yeah vr4 can be fast but they are fat pigs and are now where near a s2k when both cars are tuned to there best potential.
Yea, the 3/S is heavy but start comparing it to the 300ZX, LS1, 03 Cobra, new GT-R, almighty Supra, etc…
Are you kidding me? Want some links to stock block 3/S in the 9s/10s? Are you really making comparisons with 3,750LBS car TOURING car from LATE 90s with a light Honda Coupe? Are you fucking retarded?
BTW, that blown Honda SDP mentioned, my car bone stock makes nearly 75TQ more. :lol
The last fanboi didn’t do too well and neither will you.
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### Author:  [@Wayne64SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wayne64SS)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/448 "2008-04-17T06:38:00Z")
> [@K20power](#):
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> Yeah, my white sedan gets 30+ mpg AND it’s fast
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> HMM? :ponder
hmmm what’d it cost to build… i want a swapped honda soooo bad. just as a daily though.
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### Author:  [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/449 "2008-04-17T06:44:38Z")
The average person will spend 5-10K on a K swap, depending on which motor, where they get the labor done, etc.
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/450 "2008-04-17T06:46:42Z")
> [@LKSi](#):
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> The average person will spend 5-10K on a K swap, depending on which motor, where they get the labor done, etc.
How much is labor? I hate discussing labor as it changes from place to place and can skew the #s.
5-10K is a ton of money. I went 11.7s on street tires for that.
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### Author:  [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/451 "2008-04-17T06:48:29Z")
K20 swap a hopper
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### Author:  [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/452 "2008-04-17T06:52:41Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#):
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> How much is labor? I hate discussing labor as it changes from place to place and can skew the #s.
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> 5-10K is a ton of money. I went 11.7s on street tires for that.
That’s what I’m saying, I have no idea how much the labor for an engine swap is, and I’m guessing it varies based on where you go. If you do it yourself obviously it’s free, but if you have it done at some place like Synapse, it could end up costing you. That’s why I gave such a broad range. I think 10K is the absolute max for a professional Type-R swap, nice header, custom wiring and fuel lines, mounts, etc.
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### Author:  [@tougethisDB1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tougethisDB1)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/453 "2008-04-17T06:54:06Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#):
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> The last fanboi didn’t do too well and neither will you.
i dont know what “fanboi” really means as slang, but i am a huge fan of honda and im not going to be ashamed to say it. bobbyt makes a point. your car really is a pig in the corners. watch any best motoring video and you’ll see the gto(3kgtvr4) get its ass kicked 99% of the time. honestly i have never even seen one finish second let alone first. the spirit R video from best motoring shows the 3kgt getting raped in the corners by a bone stock 98+ spec ITR. the 3k has corner exit accel. but it just cant hold the road. weight is its biggest enemy. as far as constantly referencing me as an example to all. your an idiot. maybe you would like to talk in person some time about this problem you have. :nod
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### Author:  [@Wayne64SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wayne64SS)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 6:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/454 "2008-04-17T06:59:34Z")
> [@LKSi](#):
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> The average person will spend 5-10K on a K swap, depending on which motor, where they get the labor done, etc.
I’ve NEVER spent money on labor. Don’t intend to. Parts wise what’re they runnin? I need to do a bit of research it appears.
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/455 "2008-04-17T07:02:54Z")
> [@LKSi](#):
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> That’s what I’m saying, I have no idea how much the labor for an engine swap is, and I’m guessing it varies based on where you go. If you do it yourself obviously it’s free, but if you have it done at some place like Synapse, it could end up costing you. That’s why I gave such a broad range. I think 10K is the absolute max for a professional Type-R swap, nice header, custom wiring and fuel lines, mounts, etc.
I should be clear: While $5K-$10K is a lot of money, I am really not sure what you get but any “swap” is not trivial. The Honda useage of stock block is misleading. They do a swap to another stock block and then turbo it. So, basically, it’s $5-10K and THEN add turbo components? If so, that gets pricey REAL fast. But, that’s the name of the game.
> [@TougeThisDB1?!?](#):
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> i dont know what “fanboi” really means as slang,
It’s only been around for a decade or so. You have been called it before no doubt.
> [@TougeThisDB1?!?](#):
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> but i am a huge fan of honda and im not going to be ashamed to say it.
With “hondalover” in your e-mail, I don’t doubt it.
> [@TougeThisDB1?!?](#):
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> bobbyt makes a point. your car really is a pig in the corners. watch any best motoring video and you’ll see the gto(3kgtvr4) get its ass kicked 99% of the time. honestly i have never even seen one finish second let alone first. the spirit R video from best motoring shows the 3kgt getting raped in the corners by a bone stock 98+ spec ITR. the 3k has corner exit accel. but it just cant hold the road. weight is its biggest enemy.
Are you really using Best Motoring videos are evidence? Are you fucking retarded?
I honestly could care about corners. Should I find cars that I don’t own and compare it to your beat up Honda?
> [@TougeThisDB1?!?](#):
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> as far as constantly referencing me as an example to all. your an idiot. maybe you would like to talk in person some time about this problem you have. :nod
LOL! Sounds like a threat? :lol
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### Author:  [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 7:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/456 "2008-04-17T07:03:08Z")
typical fanboi responses… Bash the fanboi’s manufacturer of choice and then be prepared to get your car picked apart.
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### Author:  [@imported\_hybrdthry91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_hybrdthry91)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 7:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/457 "2008-04-17T07:03:29Z")
> [@LKSi](#):
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> That’s what I’m saying, I have no idea how much the labor for an engine swap is, and I’m guessing it varies based on where you go. If you do it yourself obviously it’s free, but if you have it done at some place like Synapse, it could end up costing you. That’s why I gave such a broad range. I think 10K is the absolute max for a professional Type-R swap, nice header, custom wiring and fuel lines, mounts, etc.
the type r swap alone is almost 6k shipped. kpro is 1k, a good header is 800 dollars, mounts are 550, axles are 350, hasport wiring harness 375, rail, regulator fuel line and pump $600, shifter box 160, clutch line $100, ep3 idler pulley $175, radiator $250. thats over 10k in parts alone, not including installation.
that might seem like a lot of money to put into a cheap car, but it is a reliable low 12 second car with potential 11’s on slicks with tuning, that can get 27-30mpg, all for less than 15k including the car and would be a monster on a road course, the drag strip and the street.
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/458 "2008-04-17T07:05:32Z")
> [@GranMassaX](#):
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> typical fanboi responses… Bash the fanboi’s manufacturer of choice and then be prepared to get your car picked apart.
Yep.
It’s funny because they think it’s me being VR-4 \> \* and that’s so far from the true. I can write a book on what I hate about the car. Again, it is what it is.
> [@hybrdthry911](#):
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> the type r swap alone is almost 6k shipped. kpro is 1k, a good header is 800 dollars, mounts are 550, axles are 350, hasport wiring harness 375, rail, regulator fuel line and pump $600, shifter box 160, clutch line $100, ep3 idler pulley $175, radiator $250. thats over 10k in parts alone, not including installation.
WOW. Yea, it’s MUCH more than the actual block… Always the little things.
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### Author:  [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/459 "2008-04-17T07:09:25Z")
The VR4 is a hero in its own right. It did exactly what Mitsubishi wanted it to do. It provided the Supra TT with fierce competition. Neither car is renowned for it’s handling, but they both are highway monsters. The VR4 was extremely advanced when it came out, with active aero, a Getrag tranny in the newer models, 4 wheel steering, and an active awd system. It’s a shame we don’t have cars like the VR4 and the Supra in production anymore. I’m all about Honda’s but you can’t hate on someone else’s car, because every car has advantages over another. I tried to argue with Shawn earlier, just for the sake of arguing… but while his opinions are brutal… he’s right in the respect that the VR4 was a great car. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t other great cars, and it certainly doesn’t mean you can’t have your own opinion.
And hybrdthry911… I didn’t even think of half of that stuff. The axles, radiator, pulleys, clutch lines, kpro and shifter went right over my head. The point is the K series swap is expensive haha.
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### Author:  [@imported\_hybrdthry91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_hybrdthry91)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/460 "2008-04-17T07:13:22Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#):
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> Yep.
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> It’s funny because they think it’s me being VR-4 \> \* and that’s so far from the true. I can write a book on what I hate about the car. Again, it is what it is.
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> WOW. Yea, it’s MUCH more than the actual block… Always the little things.
yeah a k swap isnt your typical b series swap. nothing oem really works. the stock k series is a returnless system, eg/ek arent. cable vs linkage shifter, motor is on the other side of the bay lol, oem axles dont work, oem header doesnt work. if hasport wanted to they could make an ecotec motor drop in with the same money and effort. there is virtually no compatiblity for a k series in these cars.
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