# Hondas...
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233
**Category:** Shift518 Off Topic
**Created:** [December 12, 2007, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233 "2007-12-12T12:09:11Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Wayne64SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wayne64SS)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/461 "2008-04-17T07:16:44Z")
> [@GranMassaX](#):
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> K20 swap a hopper
even the mighty k-20 has no chance against 6000+lbs of cutlass
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/462 "2008-04-17T07:18:39Z")
> [@LKSi](#):
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> The VR4 is a hero in its own right. It did exactly what Mitsubishi wanted it to do. It provided the Supra TT with fierce competition. Neither car is renowned for it’s handling, but they both are highway monsters. The VR4 was extremely advanced when it came out, with active aero, a Getrag tranny in the newer models, 4 wheel steering, and an active awd system. It’s a shame we don’t have cars like the VR4 and the Supra in production anymore. I’m all about Honda’s but you can’t hate on someone else’s car, because every car has advantages over another. I tried to argue with Shawn earlier, just for the sake of arguing… but while his opinions are brutal… he’s right in the respect that the VR4 was a great car. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t other great cars, and it certainly doesn’t mean you can’t have your own opinion.
Good post. Yea, at the time 3/S was ahead of its time but it’s 2 DECADE old technology.
Someday someone will realize that this thread was meant to be a joke but with I am going to respond to people who make retarded posts such as they think the tuner world would be lost without the Civic. 😃
> [@hybrdthry911](#):
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> yeah a k swap isnt your typical b series swap. nothing oem really works. the stock k series is a returnless system, eg/ek arent. cable vs linkage shifter, motor is on the other side of the bay lol, oem axles dont work, oem header doesnt work. if hasport wanted to they could make an ecotec motor drop in with the same money and effort. there is virtually no compatiblity for a k series in these cars.
That makes more sense. The other components is what brings the price way up.
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/463 "2008-04-17T07:19:11Z")
> [@Wayne64SS](#):
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> even the mighty k-20 has no chance against 6000+lbs of cutlass
I heard NASA is using it now?
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### Author:  [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/464 "2008-04-17T07:22:41Z")
> [@Wayne64SS](#):
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> even the mighty k-20 has no chance against 6000+lbs of cutlass
you are still pretty new to the forum… you will learn. K20 \> \*
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### Author:  [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/465 "2008-04-17T07:24:25Z")
> [@Wayne64SS](#):
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> even the mighty k-20 has no chance against 6000+lbs of cutlass
Then why did this guy put an s2k motor in a rat rod :wow
just more proof that Honda\>all :tong
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### Author:  [@Wayne64SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wayne64SS)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/466 "2008-04-17T07:41:41Z")
> [@hybrdthry911](#):
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> yeah a k swap isnt your typical b series swap. nothing oem really works. the stock k series is a returnless system, eg/ek arent. cable vs linkage shifter, motor is on the other side of the bay lol, oem axles dont work, oem header doesnt work. if hasport wanted to they could make an ecotec motor drop in with the same money and effort. there is virtually no compatiblity for a k series in these cars.
I just want to put soemthing together relatively cheap that gets great gas mileage, is reliable as fuck, and is fun to drive in traffic. THus it needs to be a honda.
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### Author:  [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/467 "2008-04-17T07:43:48Z")
B series swap is the way to go
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### Author:  [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/468 "2008-04-17T07:52:02Z")
I built my K Swap for nothing else but great gas mileage, daily driver, and reliable. Only because i got the motor and shit for cheap w/ 4,9xx miles on it. My swap was rather cheap, no labor, got deals on the motor. Others have done it as cheap as i have on the [K20a.org](http://K20a.org) forums, so it can be done for cheap. Mine costed roughly $3700-$4000, without K-Pro, nitrous, aftermarket exhaust (used stock dc5 exhaust for the first few months), RBC intake. So it costed me that much to get it going. Was reliable, and still is to this day (knock on wood) Fun as fuck to drive daily too :banana
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### Author:  [@Cliff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cliff)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/469 "2008-04-17T08:07:28Z")
H2B\>K20
H2b Kit = 1700 (includes, mounts, clutch, flywheel etc.)
H Series OBD1 block = 900
TypeR Tranny = 1000
$3600.
You can use stock axles, don’t need K-Pro. A lot cheaper than a K Swap and will pull on a K Swap as well.
h2b wtg.
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### Author:  [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/470 "2008-04-17T08:14:42Z")
> [@Cliff](#):
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> H2B\>K20
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> H2b Kit = 1700 (includes, mounts, clutch, flywheel etc.)
> H Series OBD1 block = 900
> TypeR Tranny = 1000
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> $3600.
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> You can use stock axles, don’t need K-Pro. A lot cheaper than a K Swap **and will pull on a K Swap as well.**
> h2b wtg.
Wrong. I can pull on my buddy’s H2B
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### Author:  [@Wayne64SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wayne64SS)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/471 "2008-04-17T08:21:19Z")
> [@LKSi](#):
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> Then why did this guy put an s2k motor in a rat rod :wow
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> 
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> just more proof that Honda\>all :tong
that rat rod weighs less than a civic hatch, let alone a 6000lb hopper.
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### Author:  [@Wayne64SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wayne64SS)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/472 "2008-04-17T08:25:17Z")
> [@K20power](#):
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> I built my K Swap for nothing else but great gas mileage, daily driver, and reliable. Only because i got the motor and shit for cheap w/ 4,9xx miles on it. My swap was rather cheap, no labor, got deals on the motor. Others have done it as cheap as i have on the [K20a.org](http://K20a.org) forums, so it can be done for cheap. Mine costed roughly $3700-$4000, without K-Pro, nitrous, aftermarket exhaust (used stock dc5 exhaust for the first few months), RBC intake. So it costed me that much to get it going. Was reliable, and still is to this day (knock on wood) Fun as fuck to drive daily too :banana
where’d you get deals on the motor etc?
nobody hit me over the head… what are these out of?
going to look at a civic hatch this weekend and i’m curious what i should be in for.
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### Author:  [@Cliff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cliff)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/473 "2008-04-17T08:27:01Z")
Not wrong. Plus you save yourself how much going H2B over K20? Your buddy must not be as good of a driver as you. That simple. The majority of threads I’ve read on Honda-tech (excluding those who are hump k series) the H2B runs very similar times. The majority of the times are even, if not, a little quicker. They’re debating the cost of the K Series, so, I’ll bring up the H2b which is a lot cheaper, and runs very similar times.
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### Author:  [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/474 "2008-04-17T08:27:51Z")
> [@Wayne64SS](#):
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> where’d you get deals on the motor etc?
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> nobody hit me over the head… what are these out of?
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> going to look at a civic hatch this weekend and i’m curious what i should be in for.
The K20a2 is out of the 02-04 RSX Type-S
K20z1 (which i have) out of the 05-06 RSX Type-S
K20a out of the Integra Type-R
K20z3 out of the 06+ Civic Si
K20a3 (you don’t want this one, it’s slow) out of the Base RSX and the EP3 Civic Si’s
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### Author:  [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/475 "2008-04-17T08:49:00Z")
> [@Wayne64SS](#):
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> that rat rod weighs less than a civic hatch, let alone a 6000lb hopper.
True… I just needed a reason to post that pic hahaha. If you’re going with a swapped Civic, I have the following recommendations.
On a tight budget- d series turbo
On a less, but still tight budget- b series
On a less, but kinda tight budget- h series
On a sorta moderate budget- h2b
On a not so tight budget- k series
On no budget- don’t get a civic
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### Author:  [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/476 "2008-04-17T08:52:40Z")
> [@Wayne64SS](#):
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> where’d you get deals on the motor etc?
I bought my sedan for $150
Motor - $1500
Mounts - $550
DC Sports header - $275
Driveshaft Shop 500+ hp axles(just to be safe) - $400
I used the wiring harness and ecu from the RSX, as i bought the whole car which saved a shitload of money. The rest of the money that added up to the 3700-4000 total was like the Karcepts shifter box mount and other misc. parts needed.
> [@LKSi](#):
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> True… I just needed a reason to post that pic hahaha. If you’re going with a swapped Civic, I have the following recommendations.
> On a tight budget- d series turbo
> On a less, but still tight budget- b series
> On a less, but kinda tight budget- h series
> On a sorta moderate budget- h2b
> On a not so tight budget- k series
> On no budget- don’t get a civic
I second that.
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### Author:  [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/477 "2008-04-17T08:57:23Z")
> [@LKSi](#):
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> True… I just needed a reason to post that pic hahaha. If you’re going with a swapped Civic, I have the following recommendations.
> On a tight budget- d series turbo
> On a less, but still tight budget- b series
> On a less, but kinda tight budget- h series
> On a sorta moderate budget- h2b
> On a not so tight budget- k series
> On no budget- don’t get a civic
That explains a lot of the choices I have see. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Wayne64SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wayne64SS)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/478 "2008-04-17T11:16:48Z")
> [@LKSi](#):
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> True… I just needed a reason to post that pic hahaha. If you’re going with a swapped Civic, I have the following recommendations.
> On a tight budget- d series turbo
> On a less, but still tight budget- b series
> On a less, but kinda tight budget- h series
> On a sorta moderate budget- h2b
> On a not so tight budget- k series
> On no budget- don’t get a civic
anyone wanna gimme a crash course in putting together a basic h2b?
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### Author:  [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/479 "2008-04-17T11:21:05Z")
My buddy is on here who has an H2B, but he never posts… I’m sure he would give you some info on the H2B.
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### Author:  [@Cliff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cliff)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2008, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hondas/235233/480 "2008-04-17T13:33:52Z")
H2B is all over Honda-Tech man. Right hand corner, SEARCH. It’s honestly the best bang for your buck.
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