# Hostess  out of business; 18,500 jobs to be lost

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**Created:** [November 16, 2012, 5:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hostess-out-of-business-18-500-jobs-to-be-lost/265503 "2012-11-16T05:34:59Z")\
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**Author:** ![HudsonFalcon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hudsonfalcon/32/6460_2.png) [@HudsonFalcon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HudsonFalcon)\
**Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hostess-out-of-business-18-500-jobs-to-be-lost/265503/47 "2012-11-19T06:22:12Z")

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I do see it everyday. I’ve seen them lie, steal and harrass but the last thing the worry about is getting fired since they use the Union as a security blanket for their own stupidity.

Individually union members are good honest people but in a group they are anything but.

Unions do restrcit membership in order to keep the wages for their members high. If everyone flooded into the union then their individual wages would plummet. They are an employment supply restrictor.

I’m not saying they should be outright abolished since they do have their place but this is an example, among others, where they do more harm than good.

P.S. I strongly oppose trickle down economics.

> [@Big :tup: to Rubicant and Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/big-tup-to-rubicant-and-carnut/51068/11):
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> you probably think “trickle down economy” works too. :lol
> 
> Try working for a company where they would rather fire you then anything else.  
> Brand new guys are more worried about being fired for any mistake rather than worrying killing themselves or others. Its all perspective, unless you have worked at a place like this you just don’t understand the need for a union.
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> Unions are not a part of the problem, they help regular people from getting pushed around by large corporations. They are no selfish or greedy they just fight for employees rights.
> 
> Also anyone can get into a union its not like its an elite club.

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