# Hot Places for Start-Ups **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [July 9, 2012, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hot-places-for-start-ups/264329 "2012-07-09T12:23:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hot-places-for-start-ups/264329/21 "2012-07-10T13:22:18Z")
> [@HSR @ Watkins Glen - 6/15/08](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hsr-watkins-glen-6-15-08/50047/28): > > 450 is pretty freaking big, SiC wafers are where it’s at though for power applications… > > Its too bad NYS has to give such big incentives to these companies though, I really wonder how long this boom will last after NYS cuts back. :facepalm ---
**Author:** ![rainmanpaul](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rainmanpaul/32/6485_2.png) [@rainmanpaul](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rainmanpaul)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hot-places-for-start-ups/264329/22 "2012-07-10T14:48:40Z")
> [@Streetfighters \> full fairing bikes](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/streetfighters-full-fairing-bikes/50080/36): > > ^ you’re 100% right > > 450 manufacturers are actually pissed they have to be the frontline to retool their line with very little demand and eat the costs upfront without seeing return for years. > > There is still no official support for 450 from ASML or any other major litho player… Hey…someone’s gotta be the pioneer haha. As you said, the return will come later. But it’ll never happen if someone doesn’t take the first step forward. And that definitely doesn’t sound surprising about litho. That’s a BIG deal to get that made. This is reeeaaaal early in the game. I mean all we have right now are, hell, a couple of sorters, cleaners…just from what I’ve seen walking around and what the one ISMI guy I talk to has told me. **This is just the latest example of why A.K. and our whole organization is awesome**. We have it cornered before it’s even started. One thing that baffles me is that at some point there will be a fab full of those damn FOUP cart contraptions for carrying 450 FOUPs. Or something lol. Because shit, I’m carrying two FOSBs or FOUPs sometimes, got my laptop under my arm, and my cell phone, going down to the subfab or upstairs, like a boss. No hand-carrying of 450 casettes. Period. Not that anyone should, damn things are massive. On a side note…is the real big EUV in NFN an ASML? I don’t know who makes that or the smaller one in the Sematech area where I usually am. All I know is the chamber says “Zeiss” on the side and I know ASML uses their optics…I guess probably everyone would right? lol ---
**Author:** ![ninety1two40](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ninety1two40/32/6332_2.png) [@ninety1two40](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ninety1two40)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2012, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hot-places-for-start-ups/264329/23 "2012-07-11T08:24:00Z")
> [@HSR @ Watkins Glen - 6/15/08](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hsr-watkins-glen-6-15-08/50047/29): > > :facepalm Go pave driveways ---
**Author:** ![RocketPunch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rocketpunch/32/6429_2.png) [@RocketPunch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RocketPunch)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2012, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hot-places-for-start-ups/264329/24 "2012-07-11T08:55:36Z")
Good new for the area, may be we will can finally have a single Ducati dealership within a 150 miles of the “city” because of this…:rofl ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2012, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hot-places-for-start-ups/264329/25 "2012-07-11T10:51:28Z")
> [@4 door rwd 5 sp 4 cyl](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/4-door-rwd-5-sp-4-cyl/50108/13): > > Hey…someone’s gotta be the pioneer haha. As you said, the return will come later. But it’ll never happen if someone doesn’t take the first step forward. And that definitely doesn’t sound surprising about litho. That’s a BIG deal to get that made. This is reeeaaaal early in the game. I mean all we have right now are, hell, a couple of sorters, cleaners…just from what I’ve seen walking around and what the one ISMI guy I talk to has told me. **This is just the latest example of why A.K. and our whole organization is awesome**. We have it cornered before it’s even started. > > One thing that baffles me is that at some point there will be a fab full of those damn FOUP cart contraptions for carrying 450 FOUPs. Or something lol. Because shit, I’m carrying two FOSBs or FOUPs sometimes, got my laptop under my arm, and my cell phone, going down to the subfab or upstairs, like a boss. No hand-carrying of 450 casettes. Period. Not that anyone should, damn things are massive. > > On a side note…is the real big EUV in NFN an ASML? I don’t know who makes that or the smaller one in the Sematech area where I usually am. All I know is the chamber says “Zeiss” on the side and I know ASML uses their optics…I guess probably everyone would right? lol The 450’s will be on automated over head racks in every production fab in the world except here. The only automated part will be the bridge. Otherwise they are experimenting with 1 foup loading/transport carts which are pretty neat. I’ve seen 3 different designs floating around. A loaded 25 wafer 450 foup is no joke weight wise. Fouls alone are heavy as hell using metal. EUV is indeed Asml connected to the Tel track. Sematech has more than just sorters and cleaners setup, looks like etching is setup already as well, maybe dep. Still need litho though. This will be a 5 year setup process at least. Job securty FTW. ---
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2012, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hot-places-for-start-ups/264329/26 "2012-07-11T11:23:04Z")
> [@FS: 88 CRX and other items](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-88-crx-and-other-items/50100/19): > > Go pave driveways :facepalm not what I do dimwit… Dee Da deeee ---
**Author:** ![rainmanpaul](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rainmanpaul/32/6485_2.png) [@rainmanpaul](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rainmanpaul)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2012, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hot-places-for-start-ups/264329/27 "2012-07-11T15:23:21Z")
> [@Jordan Heads](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jordan-heads/50114/6): > > The 450’s will be on automated over head racks in every production fab in the world except here. The only automated part will be the bridge. I figured as much…I’m sure out of it all a good solution will come about that is cheaper, at least cheaper than those carts look. They look DAMN expensive LOL. And I thouuuuuught they were going to have a conveyor on the bridge, indeed they are. Niiiice. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hot-places-for-start-ups/264329/28 "2012-07-17T21:41:32Z")
New York works commercial that featured the site. Directed by Spike Lee who was there a few months ago, voice of De Niro etc. [ame][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQgILlGg1E8&hd=1[/ame]](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQgILlGg1E8&hd=1%5B/ame%5D) > [@Ebay of the day "ABSOLUTELY-STUNNING-ERECT-FOX"](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ebay-of-the-day-absolutely-stunning-erect-fox/50112/9): > > I figured as much…I’m sure out of it all a good solution will come about that is cheaper, at least cheaper than those carts look. They look DAMN expensive LOL. > > And I thouuuuuught they were going to have a conveyor on the bridge, indeed they are. Niiiice. You hear about Intel’s multi billion investment into the ASML? That guarantees Litho for the 450mm ensuring the evolution. I think Litho was the missing link in this case. ---
**Author:** ![rainmanpaul](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rainmanpaul/32/6485_2.png) [@rainmanpaul](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rainmanpaul)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hot-places-for-start-ups/264329/29 "2012-07-24T04:33:27Z")
I remember seeing cameras and shit and people saying Spike Lee was there! Thaaat’s what it was for lol. And I did not hear about that, but just looked it up, and holy shit. That’s bold. And great. That takes care of that huh? “There I fixed it” lol [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hot-places-for-start-ups/264329.md?page=1)