# How A Live-Axle beat Exotica? **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [June 26, 2008, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484 "2008-06-26T07:48:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SBC427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@SBC427](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SBC427)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/1 "2008-06-26T07:48:21Z")
Video footage included of a GT500 vs. STR-4 vs. F430 vs. Elise It isn’t a drag race . . . > **[Speed:Sport:Life Imaginary Internet Millionaire Track Test: Ferrari F430 v Lotus...](http://www.speedsportlife.com/2008/06/24/speedsportlife-imaginary-internet-millionaire-track-test-ferrari-f430-v-lotus-elise-v-dodge-caliber-srt-4-v-ford-mustang-gt500/)** > > Click for Larger Image Story by Jack Baruth – In-car video by Jack Baruth and Carl Modesette – Photography by Zerin Dube and Matt Chow Admit it: you’ve told the Internet a fib or … ---
**Author:** ![Wayne64SS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/wayne64ss/32/6365_2.png) [@Wayne64SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wayne64SS)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/2 "2008-06-26T11:45:52Z")
best article ever! :banana ---
**Author:** ![Mike3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike3/32/6350_2.png) [@Mike3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike3)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/3 "2008-06-26T11:50:44Z")
It was a pretty good read. ---
**Author:** ![Auto0utcast](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/auto0utcast/32/6281_2.png) [@Auto0utcast](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Auto0utcast)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/4 "2008-06-26T12:04:43Z")
> [@Mike](#): > > It was a pretty good read. u only liked it cuz a mustang won… ford… they circled the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Mike3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike3/32/6350_2.png) [@Mike3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike3)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/5 "2008-06-26T12:11:36Z")
:stfu ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/6 "2008-06-26T12:13:48Z")
What? The lap time is substantially lower. What else matters? They dont like “all the buttons” on the F430. Well that sucks since its part of the reason is faster than their “winner.” The GT500 handles like a garbage truck. ---
**Author:** ![Mike3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike3/32/6350_2.png) [@Mike3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike3)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/7 "2008-06-26T12:14:40Z")
> [@JClark](#): > > The GT500 handles like a garbage truck. Gotta +1 that… ---
**Author:** ![SBC427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@SBC427](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SBC427)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/8 "2008-06-26T13:04:29Z")
I must point out that the F430 ran fastest with the electronic aids all turned off. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/9 "2008-06-26T13:25:30Z")
> [@SBC427](#): > > I must point out that the F430 ran fastest with the electronic aids all turned off. Good point, which gives a point to the skill of the driver. ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/10 "2008-06-26T13:45:46Z")
> [@JClark](#): > > What? The lap time is substantially lower. What else matters? They dont like “all the buttons” on the F430. Well that sucks since its part of the reason is faster than their “winner.” > > The GT500 handles like a garbage truck. So the ferarri handles like a garbage truck as well then, seeing how the skidpad for the 500 was 1.12 and the ferarri was 1.16…The GT500 is alot better a platform than people give it credit for, and automatically assume that because its a heavy car, it sucks…incorrect. I dont know how you compare a Ferarri to a mustang anyways lol. ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/11 "2008-06-26T13:49:10Z")
> [@EJ257FTW](#): > > u only liked it cuz a mustang won… > > ford… they circled the problem. Pink??? :lol ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/12 "2008-06-26T14:05:24Z")
> [@94Gt5.0](#): > > So the ferarri handles like a garbage truck as well then, seeing how the skidpad for the 500 was 1.12 and the ferarri was 1.16…The GT500 is alot better a platform than people give it credit for, and automatically assume that because its a heavy car, it sucks…incorrect. I dont know how you compare a Ferarri to a mustang anyways lol. Disclaimer: My opinion, not trying to start a huge Ferrari v. Ford argument. Skid pad and lateral g’s make up maybe 25% of the “handling” of a car. You can put race tires on anyone of those cars to generate ridiculous mechanical grip and that number will jump .5g’s instantly. My race car is from 1995 and pulls a 1.7+ lateral g all day namely because of added hardware, not because its the fastest car ever made. The other 75% of handling ability comes from chassis design, namely balance. A car is only at 100% of its lateral grip for a very brief instant on a race track. The rest of the time its a combination of braking, accelerating, AND turning, which is where chassis composure makes up the rest of it. That’s how the F430 with less power and about the same weight can absolutely ROCK the GT500 on the track (4 seconds is an eternity). Not trying to rag on Mustangs in general, just my $.02. Anyone can write a review based on opinions and have any car win. I could like 4 door econoboxes and had the SRT4 win. If you ignore the factual data (lap times), I can ride my bicycle to victory in a comparison. ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/13 "2008-06-26T15:11:03Z")
> [@JClark](#): > > Disclaimer: My opinion, not trying to start a huge Ferrari v. Ford argument. > > Skid pad and lateral g’s make up maybe 25% of the “handling” of a car. You can put race tires on anyone of those cars to generate ridiculous mechanical grip and that number will jump .5g’s instantly. My race car is from 1995 and pulls a 1.7+ lateral g all day namely because of added hardware, not because its the fastest car ever made. > > The other 75% of handling ability comes from chassis design, namely balance. A car is only at 100% of its lateral grip for a very brief instant on a race track. The rest of the time its a combination of braking, accelerating, AND turning, which is where chassis composure makes up the rest of it. > > That’s how the F430 with less power and about the same weight can absolutely ROCK the GT500 on the track (4 seconds is an eternity). > > Not trying to rag on Mustangs in general, just my $.02. Anyone can write a review based on opinions and have any car win. I could like 4 door econoboxes and had the SRT4 win. If you ignore the factual data (lap times), I can ride my bicycle to victory in a comparison. fair enough ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/14 "2008-06-26T17:41:23Z")
It shut him up yo… thats a feat in and of itself! ---
**Author:** ![Mafdark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mafdark/32/6322_2.png) [@Mafdark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mafdark)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/15 "2008-06-26T18:07:02Z")
and thats the sypder 430… race that against the soft top GT500. :lol ---
**Author:** ![crazybrew609](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/crazybrew609/32/6319_2.png) [@crazybrew609](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/crazybrew609)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/16 "2008-06-26T19:22:52Z")
> [@94Gt5.0](#): > > I dont know how you compare a Ferarri to a mustang anyways lol. fully independent suspension to a solid rear axle, why not just use leaf springs… oh wait the corvette already uses those :giggedy ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/17 "2008-06-26T19:40:57Z")
> [@crazybrew609](#): > > fully independent suspension to a solid rear axle, why not just use leaf springs… oh wait the corvette already uses those :giggedy And quite well I might add. Okay, know the facts, the vette uses a monospring…not front to rear style springs as you may picture. Its left to right…its a chunk of leaf if you will…and easily removeable if one ads coilovers. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/18 "2008-06-26T20:05:14Z")
> [@crazybrew609](#): > > fully independent suspension to a solid rear axle, why not just use leaf springs… oh wait the corvette already uses those :giggedy You can tune a wrong setup to perfection, just look at Porsche :lol ---
**Author:** ![Jimmerz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jimmerz/32/6370_2.png) [@Jimmerz](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jimmerz)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/19 "2008-06-26T20:48:15Z")
[quote=EJ257FTW] u only liked it cuz a mustang won… ford… they circled the problem. [/I] yes the problem GM and Chrysler have had since 1965 ---
**Author:** ![Singh1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba8739/32.png) [@Singh1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Singh1)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2008, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484/20 "2008-06-26T21:47:45Z")
well that was cool, the author has some cool writing skills but the reviews lack horribly , they are not good ones at all… just a really good fun read IMO, i cant tell u why they suck, they just do, top gear is better 😃 [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-a-live-axle-beat-exotica/237484.md?page=2)